Dark eldar and admech

Any ideas on what to counter the war convocation formation from the white dwarf with? I have a game against them soon so I just wanna try and plan that out so I don't get rail roaded

What's in the war convocation, for people who don't have the WD?

It's a super formation of imperial knight any version a big skitarii formation and 2 troops and a hq from the cult mechanicus
basically everything counts as cult mechanicus and they can benefit from all their special rules and all wargear including relics And plasma weapons don't get hot

Have you seen Mushkilla's lesson on how to OBLITERATE a Knight with Fire Dragons plus an Archon?

Nope but I'm going pure dark eldar

Lots of reavers in multiple squads, firing from multiple facings with special weapons?

To be fair, I do think enough reavers can solve anything. But I think this would work Two 6 man squads, left side right side, and a ravager with dark lances to the front. yes alot of points for one model, but those reavers can then play with the admech infantry

deekthegreat wrote:

Nope but I'm going pure dark eldar

Then may God have mercy on your soul.

Hey. We are competitive. As long as the opponent doesn't get an ass kick scatter Laser army...

Jimsolo wrote:

Have you seen Mushkilla's lesson on how to OBLITERATE a Knight with Fire Dragons plus an Archon?

To be fair, you can pull the same trick with a pure Celdar list using Falcons. I'm actually kinda infamous in my local circle for my death falcon deep strikes.

FuelDrop wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:

Have you seen Mushkilla's lesson on how to OBLITERATE a Knight with Fire Dragons plus an Archon?

To be fair, you can pull the same trick with a pure Celdar list using Falcons. I'm actually kinda infamous in my local circle for my death falcon deep strikes.

If an opponent leaves sufficient room for 3 deep striking Falcons behind their lines they deserve everything they get.

TBH, the war convoction is much more than just the one IK. First off everything benefits from canticles. Second, ALL the upgrades are FREE. So facing an 1850 list you are actually facing a 2300+ list. Yes. No joke.

Between the skitarii and mechanicus they sport a heck of a lot of dakka but like DE the skitarii troops are fragile. However - expect onagers and breachers and IKs to shore up that deficiency. Beware of a quick strike - many units can scout ...

Overall war convocation is one of the 'close to broken' formations that GW has released. Against these tyopes of formations I would favor MSU builds and speed. Go that route.

Ok I don't know what is coming and I have my strong dislike about these white dwarf exclusive or Web exclusive formations. I don't like not having access to these formations outside of the Internet. And having played against this person before I'm starting to think I need eldar along with dark eldar. I have a feeling he will have an assassin in his list too. Possibly using my new lynx to get some good old sonic Lance usage. I don't own any fire dragons and I only have 9 scatter lasers bikes well 3 aren't built yet but hey I haven't fought the doomcrawler things or the cult mechanicus stuff. So this should be a ok fight

This formation is almost as broken as the skyhammer, so don't expect to win. You can however make his life difficult by bringing several blasterborn venoms, plus numerous five man warrior squads with blasters inside venoms. Throw in some some scourge, reavers, grotesques. I would stay away from ravagers as they are relatively slow compared to admech.

Sometimes these posts boil down down to "ally CE to stand a chance," I hope I can distract from this a bit. With good strategy, maneuvering, and some luck I'm sure you can grind out a result of some kind.

Well I don't expect a win and I'd love more blasters but I only have 4 of them so it's hard to actually use more than 4 and I only have 1 squad of scourges and not enough haywire blasters to use them. I figured ravagers because they can have the ap2 to those destroyer things. And I don't really wanna allie eldar but goodness that lynx with a sonic Lance sounds like a great idea

I could be cheeky and get it to a low enough point game that the formation isn't available to him

deekthegreat wrote:

I could be cheeky and get it to a low enough point game that the formation isn't available to him

Now you're thinking like a true Archon

I ended up facing against a war convocation list the other night at my weekly league.  I wasn't playing my DE against it; however, here's a few things that may help you out.

First off the formation is the following

1. Skitarii Battle Maniple
 - 1 unit of Vanguard
 - 1 unit of Rangers
 - 1 unit of Ruststalkers
 - 1 unit of Infiltrators
 - 1 squad of Dragoons or Ironstriders
 - 1 Dunecrawler

2. Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation Detachment (1HQ, 2 Troops)

3. Imperial Knight Oathsworn Detachment. (1-3 knights)

For the Skitarii forces, using units like Grotesques to get and knock some heads can work well; however, the firepower that comes from the Vanguard and Rangers can be annoying.  Try to take out the Ruststalkers and Infiltrators via shooting.  In my game, the Ironstrider and Dune Crawler were more annoying than threats however, his dice played a huge part in it.  

The CM detachment is where things get a bit wonky.
1. The Tech-priest will probably be in a unit of Destroyers or Breachers due to his ability to take a relic that gives them all IWND and other goodies.  Also - killing him doesn't prevent Canticles of the Omnissiah sadly.

2. Destroyers will either have 2-shot plasma cannons or heavy grav cannons.  Plasma is probably worse against DE; however, we can outshoot them if we stick to 36".  They will also have other weapons including flamers that will cause 3 wounds if charged and not D3.  

3. Breachers - shoot them.  If they have Torsion Cannons - continue to shoot them.  Whatever you do, don't try to engage them with Talos/Chronos as the Torsion cannons are S8 AP1 that cause D3 wounds if the 1 isn't saved.  Same with HP if they score a penetrating hit.  Personally, I view these as our largest threat as they can fairly easily take out vehicles and Talos each turn.

Knight - depends on the varient but surround it and take it out. If you ARE using Talos, going against it using them wil cause a lot of casualties but will also take it out.

Good luck - it's a mean formation and the fact that it gets all upgrades and relics for free makes matters worse.

UPDATE - one final thing worth pointing out - nothing in the unit is Objective Secured. So if you're playing an objective mission, going troop heavy with a CAD isn't a bad idea.

Yea at this point I know my dark eldar can't do anything to it it'd be like fighting adlance with my dark eldar pointless.


I need more of something but that something is what im failing to see my friends call me a cheesy player with dark eldar because of all the ap2 and the mass poison but one of them plays eldar and the other plays tau so not sure how I fall in the cheese of those armies I have eldar available to me but I just don't wanna build them I keep looking at them and how cool their vehicles are and stuff but I have zero desire to waist my time to build them and then never play them because eldar are "op" I'm debating about starting a freakshow army

Are you winning all the time or why are they calling you cheesy player?

No I don't think I've ever beat my friends with my dark eldar they just think mass ap2 or mass poison is super op. Hoping that whenever I get to play them again i will be able.to beat them and not feel bad about it

If they play Eldar and Tau they should have no reason whatsoever to complain about poison. And mass AP2? What sort of list do you play that allows for mass AP2?

9 raiders and 3 ravagers and if I a being cheeky a couple razorwings and void ravens

I played my other friend with 6 razorwings and 3 void ravens and utterly assault him

What point limit?

Over 2k I play pretty big games normally I enjoy them.more