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PostSubject: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeSun Nov 29 2015, 20:38

Greetings fellow pointy ears!

Ive been playing Eldar now for a year and the time has come to spend more money on overpriced little plastic(or posibly metal) figures.

Im looking for advice on what to do.

So, what i own so far is this:
farseer/bike
15 windriders
1 warlock/bike
loads of warwalkers/wraithlords
some(10?) guardians
firedragons(5+1)
swooping hawks(5+1)
dire avengers(4+1)
dark reapers(2+1)
two eldar skimmer tanks(played as waveserpents)
some vauls cannons(dont usually play those)
5 wraithguards

so now im looking for allies and i was thinking of the dark emos to hang out with:
the models are cooler than harlies, and i think they are overall the better choice over them clowns(powerwise).

my first idea was this:
ill start with, oc a small allied cad of DE containing:
hq: the Succubus looks quite capable of whacking those bigger dudes who usual elfs would never get closer to than, say 18 inches, and she is also relatively cheap(points).
also, i could do some kind of wierd naked deamon-woman conversion, which id totally be into.

also, i would get me a venom(or two) for those pretty splinter cannons they got, with one being the DT for a troop of five warriors(troops). the other one id put in (4?) kabalites to support the naked lady with more ap2 on Ini goodness.

from there on a raider would be good, because it can transport more guys and is open, so i could put some regular elfs in it.

options for the eldar would also be: Striking Scorpions(wanna buy), for putting them in said raider, to assault stuff out of it.
im planning on getting some warp spiders sooner or later, because they are one of the most op units in the game.

thank you for your attention, and please comment on what you think.

Succubus sux? archon better? suggestions for nice synergies? get something more anti tank because i have already a ton of scatterbikes?
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PostSubject: Re: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeSun Nov 29 2015, 22:16

Hey Grot. Its weird to see a craftworld player looking for help from the DE. Usually the other way round. Anyway.

Kabalite Warriors- Generic troop. 5 of these in dual splinter cannon venom for 105.
Kabalite Trueborn- Special Weapon troops. Pricey and far outclassed by units such as Fire Dragons.
AP2 at initiative- Incubi. These guys are pretty beasty, but thats a personal opinion.
Succubus is okay but her and incubi may be overkill. They both do same thing.
The only reason an archon is better is if he is Web Way Portal-ing in an Eldar unit.

Grotesques are popular, and the succubus benefits from joining them. She gets their high T from and multiple ablative wounds from shooting attacks and the grots gain her AP2.

Also I would strongly recommend checking out the tactics thread.

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PostSubject: Re: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30 2015, 08:25

The option to put a succubus in a raider with scorpions could be good as she hits reasonably hard in close combat. She pairs well with grotesques as mentioned above too. If you take her with grotesques and allied farseer complements the squad well.

Troops wise venoms can be had for cheap but, that's not anti tank.

Ravagers are still solid. The voidraven does have str 9 ap 2 lance shots. Still, your probably better adding Crimson Hunter if you want a flyer.
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PostSubject: Re: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30 2015, 09:16

Allied Detachment could look like this:

HQ: Lhamaean in Venom with SC
Troops: 5 Kabalites in Venom with SC
Fast: either a Raider for the Wraithguard or a Venom for the Firedragons
Elite: nope
Heavy: nope

If you want to expand on this and go CAD or even better RSR (up to 6 taxis), you basically buy the same except for additional Venoms/Raiders.

Dark Eldar are just taxi drivers for their superior Craftworld Cousins.
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PostSubject: Re: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30 2015, 22:32

thanks for your input!

first id like to explain the why.
the models look cool.
i wont spend 90coins on a wraithknight. maybe cool in a tournament, but not if you want to play with friends. now youll say "but youll pay more for what you said you want to get", but not at a time.
on the other hand i dont want to weaken my army, and i think what i miss is one or two assaulting units.
eldarses still got no open transports(which is very right so), banshees are s3.
unique characters are 200+points(maybe that prince dude, but meh.) lords are slow.

and thank you for correcting me, flakmonkey. i did indeed say kabalites...when i meant incubi!
did you mean beasty like in "they are beast" or beastly(which if i get it right means something like "terrible". sorry, im no native english speaker Smile).
i know they have no grenades, but still...

succubus and scorps is a nice thing, it seems.
hmm grotesques...scorpions...i guess scorps have a higher powerlevel but are elfs, not ugly laboratory-experiments.
of course ill keep on checking the mighty google and this site too.

i dont like my farseer in closecombat. no ap, low attacks. if your psych fails, your squished.
firedragons shoot meltas, wraithguards shoot flamers of death, neither assaults.
if the dragons didnt shoot the tank up good you should go home or maybe in a casino, depends...

anyway i hope to get a little extra other than taxis.
again thanks, i knew it was not a bad idea to ask around here.

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PostSubject: Re: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30 2015, 23:21

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anyway i hope to get a little extra other than taxis.

Hardly as CWE are superior in the shooting phase and get better synergies due to PSI buffs.
Even the melee aspect is weaker for all but one unit. Grotesques.

The rest of our melee units suffer from the same weakness (T3) while having less support (Exarch, Psykers) and even lower armor (6+ on most units). And all that for nearly equal (or even higher) point costs.
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PostSubject: Re: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 01 2015, 00:16

I was thinking something similar when I read the idea of mixing a succubus with the scorpions.  

The scorpion exarch can take a power fist (with a shuriken catapult built into it) that strikes at initiative which can do up to 7 attacks in a challenge without even charging.  That's at initiative 6 of course after his initiative 10 auto-hit poison 4+ helmet. Total cost of that character is 47 points.

Although the succubus has some better stats, to get her with a similar (weaker) weapon will cost you 110 points.  Even then she isn't nearly as survivable despite having more wounds and she requires a transport where an all scorpion unit could simply infiltrate (and gain shrouded until it makes an attack).

Forcing dark eldar in to a craftworld army at this point (in general) is going to be painful.
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PostSubject: Re: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 01 2015, 22:24

yeah, the craftworld have all those stupidly powerful new rules.
i also understand that it is common sense that DE are overall in the low tier of 40k armies.

i guess you guys are right with grotesques>incubi, although its better to ignore armour altogether than hopeing for the other guy to fail, imo. but then ID, but chances can be tricky with dice. so is wounding sth with the less attacks for the incubi. better hope for nothing bigger than a space marine.
also pointcost.
and scorpions do it better than grotesques for more points.

smaller units are cheaper and that means a venom is better. lances can be found elsewhere.
but grotesques can only get a raider, so they'd need an archon.
byebye succubus.
maybe do the popular thing after all and play a 10pts hq.
or let the warriors cower on an objective and give up their transport to someone else.
not too bad for 40 pts for 5 guys.

hmm....and also: arghh
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PostSubject: Re: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 01 2015, 23:19

Bit late to the part, but I disagree about the scorpions vs grotesques opinion so long as we are talking about grotesquerie grotesques. Different tools for different, albeit similar, purposes.

That said I think I'd say that if you're already running a bike centric list already, why not grab a few units of reavers, so that you have some really nice CC jetbikes. They are even better if you give them an autarch with a banshee mask.
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PostSubject: Re: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 02 2015, 07:51

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i guess you guys are right with grotesques>incubi, although its better to ignore armour altogether than hopeing for the other guy to fail, imo.

it all comes down to numbers. And in a lot of cases an overwhelming number of attacks to make him fail quite a lot saves is better than a few attacks that do not grant saves.
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PostSubject: Re: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 02 2015, 21:23

problem with grotesques(and grotesquerie) is, they cannot take a venom, and a raider doesnt give me much.
maybe with scorpions+Succubus in it. but grotesques rarely will be more than 5 in a unit.
its 2xgrotesques/raiders and the heamounculus, maybe 400/ points? its less then what i had in mind, but again, no extra taxis...

id need 5or6 reavers to make them work, taking the slot for 1 venom...
they break down to 7 or so extra tests before combat(4 of my 6 make it), to which they bring the good old eldar butter knives/pointy elbows(3s3 ap- attacks on charge.), meaning 6 hits, 2/3 wounds at best...

but the autarch starts to make sense. so that would net me with 120(the farseer), maybe 110(the autarch), and the succubus(with glaive/haywire) for 100 points to a total of 330points. sounds ok for 1500 pts+. in addition i could wraithbomb, or put the autarch with grotesques(but i like the incubi..well not like but...) and the succubus. or use the Grotesques DT raider for scorps+x.
i like it.

now, to fit in a solitaire in a non unbound way for cheap...

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PostSubject: Re: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeThu Dec 03 2015, 04:49

Heroes path is going to be the cheapest option 265 Base, 300 gets it cooking, and provides you with a Shadowseer and a Death Jester for shenanigans.

As for the reavers, I really feel like you are overly discounting The benefit of their HoW attacks. With 6 of them, 2d6 Str6 Rending and 4 str4 Rending ones is a rather sizable first strike blow, And if you can bring other CC into that fight now that Overwatch has been mitigated, such as Grotesques, I think you'd be surprised by their effectiveness.
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PostSubject: Re: AdviceWelcome   AdviceWelcome I_icon_minitimeThu Dec 03 2015, 21:36

if i had the money...although im not to sure about the clowns...and to learn and explain their rules...
hard enough to remember all my and the enemys rules.
also: thats FULL elf! going from elf to double elf is one thing.
dont know if i like the thought.

reavers:
you are right, i had my facts wrong, its 2d6, not d6 HoW.
and more (eldar)jetbikes...
better in a large or 2 small squads? is the sarge worth any?

some ap would be good, but i guess incubi/grotesques and reavers might be and idea.
also many DE hqs will hate the autarch because they cant jetbike/he is so pretty.
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