Dire Avengers

So, I've been wondering about everyone's opinion on the current codex's Dire Avengers.

They look kinda solid, and are able to put out a good amount of dakka, but are they worth it in comparison to something like Kabalite Warriors? Or the 13 point Chaos Space Marine?

Are they only worth it with a dedicated farseer tagging along to provide Guide and Doom? Or as scoring "upgrades" to vehicles?

DA's with or without farseer support can provide a very solid amount of fire power up to 33 shots with Bladestorm 4+ isnt completly crap, and they seem to be still a threat after taking some losses.
Farseers can add a lot Divination, Presience for rerolls, perfect timing for ignores cover, and misfortune, a lot of stuff will dissappear.

I use them often, and I've always found them worth the cost. Sure, Bladestorm makes them pretty much worthless in your next turn, but it has always cut apart the victim when I have used it - especially when the victim are doomed (guide, I am not as sure about if it is really as needed, with BS4, but if the 1ns and 2s seems to like you, then go ahead).

@lobos - I haven't tried the new psychic powers in the rule book, but perhaps I should? Do you think they are better than the Eldar psychic powers?

Divination can be fantastic with the added bonus that powers can affect allied units, I would suggest that Misfortune is better than doom, Prescience is far better than guide i range and effect.

biggest problem with farseer DA combo is they die pretty quick when your opponent realizes what hey can do and 300 odd points can disappear.

Have to say my first thought was "What on earth do you want more AP fire for?"

I've seen Dire Avengers do some incredible things its true, but incredible enough to make me want to include them? Not so sure.

DA are solid troop choice from the Eldar Codex. I highly doubt DE lists need the AI that much to include some, but used properly, they can be killer.