1850 - With new Eldar buddies

HQ] Haemonculus -50 (Warlord)

TR] 3 Wracks -30
Transport] Venom: 2 Splinter Cannons -65
TR] 3 Wracks -30
Transport] Venom: 2 Splinter Cannons -65
TR] 3 Wracks -30
Transport] Venom: 2 Splinter Cannons -65
TR] 3 Wracks -30
Transport] Venom: 2 Splinter Cannons -65

FST] 3 Beastmasters, 4 Razorwing Flocks, 5 Khymerae -156
FST] 3 Beastmasters, 4 Razorwing Flocks, 5 Khymerae -156

HVY] Ravager -105
HVY] Ravager -105

Allied Eldar Detachment:

HQ] Farseer -100

EL] 5 Fire Dragons -110
Transport] Wave Serpent: TL Scatter Laser -120

TR] 5 Dire Avengers -65
Transport] Wave Serpent: TL Scatter Laser -120
TR] 3 Windrider Jetbikes -51

FST] 6 Swooping Hawks -96

HVY] 3 Dark Reapers w/ Starshot Missiles -114
Transport] Wave Serpent: TL Scatter Laser -120

-1850/1850-

This is roughly Mk 6, playtesting still and variations being made, most if not all the Eldar choices are made around providing a possible decent Anti-Air option. (And the Jetbikes just doing what they always do.

Will share more as this list evolves, the Warlord sucks, I concur, thinking about Lady Malys if I can cram her in.

Farseer generally joins a Beast unit as you can easily stretch it around with her in it. You want to stretch these unit's coherency anyway, right?

Anyways posting it for some back n' forth see if you guys have any novel ideas.

I dig the DE shell especially FA and HS, although I would value the 3rd ravager above the 3rd serpent. Eldar section also looks good with some fun but still effective inclusions such as the hawks. I say fun because they are anti infantry which we have in spades although no cover is excellent against many fire base units.

For novel ideas try putting the reapers on an icarus LC with fastshot. Away from my dex but iirc you will get 2 cover ignoring Las shots with skyfire..

Why Ravager over a Serpent? Serpent does what the DE need most - S7 firepower and anti-air capabilities.

Hawks are both anti-infantry and anti-tank with Grenade Packs, Lasblasters, and Haywire Grenades.

Hawks want to dance at 24" range using battle focus though, T3 4+ is going to make it risky to close with those haywire grenades. I guess your opponent has more important things to worry about like beasts. Also one casualty and those hawk grenadepacks lose their large blast.

Personally 20 scoring models seems a bit low for 1850 points.

Your warlord seems like easy VPs seeing as he doesn't really have anywhere to hide outside the wrack squads, as he would slow the beasts down. Not to mention no one seems to benefit from the pain token he brings.

Other then that it looks like a fun list to play. I'm curious to see how it works out.

Hope that helps.

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Why Ravager over a Serpent? Serpent does what the DE need most - S7 firepower and anti-air capabilities.

The random d6+1 S7 vs. always 3 S8 ap2 lance for 15 pts cheaper makes me think id still prefer to max ravagers first. That said its all theory since I havent used the serpents.

Fair enough on the AA point although personally I usually dont throw shots at aircraft anyway. My wolves army has tons of twin linked asscans and potentially double TL long fangs + CML wgpl but even then the amount of firepower necessary is often too much committment to maybe only kill one to two models when the smoke clears so I try to avoid doing that.

SW have to fear the same thing I do in Heldrakes, but I am amending the list a bit, just donno how quite yet.

Nice list. Lots of threats. plenty of options to take on infantry, tanks and flyers.

The haemi unlocks wracks as troops, obviously, but doesn't do much else. The farseer doesn't have a great deal of options for units to join. Joining the beasts seems quite awkward. If you beefed up one of your troop choices, like the bikes, or added some defenders/rangers/DE warriors, he could go with them instead. I assume he will guide the ravagers?

I might be tempted to switch the dark reapers for war walkers - another unit that can benefit greatly from guide, and can still threaten flyers plus a whole lot more besides.

While I'm still working on the above, this new list is what I have currently and brings a surprise.

HQ] Haemonculus: Liquifier Gun -60

EL] 8 Mandrakes incl Nightfiend -130

TR] 3 Wracks -30
Transport] Venom: 2 Splinter Cannons -65
TR] 3 Wracks -30
Transport] Venom: 2 Splinter Cannons -65
TR] 9 Kabalite Warriors: 8 Splinter Rifles, 1 Blaster -96
Transport] Raider: Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies -65

FST] 2 Beastmasters, 4 Razorwing Flocks -84
FST] 2 Beastmasters, 4 Razorwing Flocks -84
FST] 6 Reavers: 2 Heat Lances -156

HVY] Ravager -105
HVY] Ravager -105

Allied Eldar Detachment:

HQ] Spiritseer: Faolchu's Wing -100

EL] 5 Fire Dragons -110
Transport] Wave Serpent: TL Scatter Laser -120

TR] 5 Dire Avengers -65
Transport] Wave Serpent: TL Scatter Laser -120
TR] 3 Windrider Jetbikes -51

FST] 6 Swooping Hawks -96

HVY] Vaul's Wrath Support Battery: 2 D-Cannons -110

Plan on playing this this week at the local store.

Smurfy wrote:

Why Ravager over a Serpent? Serpent does what the DE need most - S7 firepower and anti-air capabilities.

Hey guys, I'm very curious about this list.  Can someone explain the anti-air the Eldar are providing?  There is no skyfire, so by anti-air do you mean weight of dice to hit 6s?  I feel I am missing something here.