Wyches vs Warriors

Unholyllama wrote:

One thought came to me late last night.

Would you perceive Wyches differently if they were joined by a Covens Supplement Haemy?  

Still gives +1 turn on PFP only he would use the supplement's PFP while the Wyches would use the codex version.  This would technically give the unit Fearless turn 1.

It would improve them slightly but at the cost of Fleet and they would still have the issue of getting shot to hell before they get anywhere near a fight.

well, If you are taking the haemy from the covens supplement - you could then give him the relic that allows him to use fleet for a turn.

I'm intrigued by some of the suggestions here, particularly using reavers as a charge unit to tank overwatch for the wyches. Looks like that wych raider I've got painted up might see some table time after all, now I just need more hydra gauntlets...

Yeah the wyches and reavers just became even bigger buddies imo. Im thinking 2 units of wyches in raiders, possibly with aethersails to alleviate a bad deepstrike with 2 6man reaver squads with caltrops. (anything more added to make that combo work seems like it may be an over investment of points)

Then support with blasterwarriors in venoms and scourges with some talos/cronos. As you'd need some board presence in the early turns, and the coven units or mobile small units are great for that.

I'm considering Reavers to useful as board presence as they can hide pretty well with their enormous movement and still pressure the enemy if they have Blasters or HL's.
I'm going to try out Blasters as I hope that would give them a chance at shooting and hiding back behind LoS blocking terrain.
The sweet part of it is they ignore terrain all together, also the dangerous terrain tests.

exactly, I was thinking the same things. Reavers have really become an incredibly versatile unit for us.

But to keep this more on topic, I think they make excellent support units for both wyches and warriors.

While warriors work great as standalone units (albeit in venoms/raiders) I think Wyches require some assistance in performing at their peak and reavers fill the lost excellently (also both units are part of the wych cults and get the same buffs from combat drugs) - which I guess would make sense considering how the game has pushed towards shooting more.

I think I personally find it difficult to view the Wyches and Warriors as either/or rather than using both in a list. Warriors alone could handle it in a competitive list I guess, and pure wyches with no warriors would really struggle. But I think utilizing both would give stronger competitive uses - wyches are still pretty great at tying up units provided they get into combat, and thankfully they never lost their assault grenades.

Oh only strength 4 even in cc? Sad, but at least I haven't actually used them against anyone so there's that lol

Wow this topic got a lot of attention! Im glad to see this forum is full of motivated members.

Im quite convinced (mainly because i don't own any warriors) that wyches will be the mainstay because the army special rules, objective cards and warlord traits are set up in a way that caters to people making the most out of a close combat army.

Now that covens has come out I've decided to back up my cult with a couple of their formations. Dark Artisan with webway portal sounds perfectly frightening, plus the scalpel squadron to make the most out of first blood. with the pain engines in their face it should allow my wyches freedom to hit their targets without much attention

On the topic of Wyches, I actually think we'll see an FAQ for them allowing them to save Overwatch shots. It doesn't make sense that they pointed out a specific sub-phase just to make them worse.

On the other hand, i don´t think we will se an faq at all for a long time. Dark elves in fantasy has nog got any to date. And they came out around this time last year.

Talos wrote:

On the other hand, i don´t think we will se an faq at all for a long time. Dark elves in fantasy has nog got any to date. And they came out around this time last year.

I know, I don't expect them to do one for a long time. My High Elves are still waiting for theirs

El_Jairo wrote:

Count Adhemar wrote:

The Red King wrote:

Idk, wyches may not have haywire anymore but most transports are armor 10 rear so plasma grenades can crack them fairly reliably.

I'd hardly call it reliable. A unit of 10 Wyches that (somehow) manages to get into assault unscathed. 10 attacks, 6.66 hits, 1.11 glances.

My thoughts exactly but in defence of Adhemar the Heka can take an HwG. So they would inflict 1,5 HP. Still I don't see the point in charging a vehicle without S5+.

I would think that both troops have their merit. Warriors are cheap shooting platform and Wyches can charge an objective and score as long they don't break.
If you manage to get Wyches into CC they even have a decent save.

I am going to experiment with Wyches escorting a killy Succubus.

I'd be more likely to wait until Wyches get furious charge and/or hoped to get the +1 str on the combat drug table, 3 attacks each on the charge at str 4 (or 5 if you are lucky) is a heck of a lot better than 1 plasma grenade attack per wych

Side note, the more I think about wyches the more bitter I get about losing the blaster/shredder option for them, I have 5-6 of the metal ones sitting around that I can't bring myself to cut up to use for Blasterborn/Archon bits (though eventually I probably will)

HERO wrote:

Talos wrote:

On the other hand, i don´t think we will se an faq at all for a long time. Dark elves in fantasy has nog got any to date. And they came out around this time last year.

I know, I don't expect them to do one for a long time.  My High Elves are still waiting for theirs

The GW site is currently doing surveys when you visit it with a new IP. Its a survey about the site (Clearly they are trying to justify it's cost in that annual report). I let them know what the site was missing (content) and that I don't buy anything from them because ebay is saturated as a result of them never bothering to FAQ their games and people leaving the hobby. They really need a wake up call and it was the first time I could tell then "why" I'm not buying any of their stuff anymore. A balanced and supported rule system sells models.

HERO wrote:

On the topic of Wyches, I actually think we'll see an FAQ for them allowing them to save Overwatch shots.  It doesn't make sense that they pointed out a specific sub-phase just to make them worse.

I'd be shocked if they did - if they can dodge overwatch fire why shouldn't they dodge normal shooting too, the dodge is supposed to represent them being too quick for their opponents to strike in hand to hand combat, not quick enough to dodge a bullet. They perhaps figured that your average Archon would be sensible enough not to tell them to charge a unit with template weapons in it.

I hear you Larndorn. I have plucked a large number of metallic Wyches from the Internet and lg. I painted them with extreme highlights before it became all hip in 5th.
I still use the shredder models as count as since the beginning. Now they are typically the first to die. Because I am such a lazy painter I haven't replaced them yet.
I bought the new Wyches to serve as Bloodbrides but never felt the urge to do so. Now even less.
:edit : on topic. I'm planning on using blaster warriors in support of Wyches for my troops. Splinter Racks got better but Trueborn lost carbines. So besides the cost cut the gunboat didn't increase in efficiency to my feeling.