1850 Points:wrong tactic or armylist in Malestorm missions

Hello Archons,

In the last time I tried several lists in malestorm missions, but with no success.
For example:

Realspace Raider Detachement
Archon with 4 Medusa in Venom with 2 Splintercanons
3x 4 Blastborn in Venom with 2 Splintercanon
2x 10 Warriors in Raider with DL, Nightshield and Splinterracks
2x 4 Scourges with Haywireblasters
Dark Artisan: Webway Portal, Spirit Syphon, Ichor Injector and twin linked Haywire

Against 5 Flamer-Cybots in Droppods, Scots with Bolters and Termis with Grav-Cannons. He had first Draw and I could not get one Viczory Point over the whole game and all my Boys was eleminatet.

Combined Arms
Haemi goes with Chainflail-Talos and Chronos with Spirit Syphon (not as Formation: EPIC FAIL)
5 Medusa in Venom with 2 Splintercanons
3x 4 Blastborn in Venom with 2 Splintercanon
2x 10 Warriors in Raider with DL, Nightshield and Splinterracks
2x 4 Scourges with Heatlances
3 Reavers with Heatlance and Grav-Talon

Against Grey Knights with 3 Nemesis, Deep Striking Termies and Termies in Landraider. I killed one and a half Nemesis and a Troop of normal Spacemarines but lost 4:10. In the first two rounds I draw the wrong cards. Just Stuff like kill the Warlord, winn a chalenge, kill a Psycher.


Some of the guys in my hobbyclub tell me still that I should use the speed of my army, but I'm affraid that when I turboboost to a mission objective that I exposure the vehicle and its crew the fire of my opponent in the next turn and lose the Venom or Raider, so that the crew is imobilized.
Some other say I have to less anti tank fire.

What is my problem in your opinion? The tactic or the army list?
Thanks for your help.

Not going to lie, maelstrom is 90% what you pull for objectives to complete. It's a lot of luck involved. Honestly, the first list looks good, but if you have a lot of "in your face" armies in your meta, you may want to try a null deployment list using the scalpel squad and aim to go second. That way you get to drop in around him, not the other way around.

Graviton wrote:

I could not get one Viczory Point over the whole game

Why?

Graviton wrote:

In the first two rounds I draw the wrong cards. Just Stuff like kill the Warlord, winn a chalenge, kill a Psycher.

Do you think you would have lost otherwise?

Graviton wrote:

I'm affraid that when I turboboost to a mission objective that I exposure the vehicle and its crew the fire of my opponent in the next turn and lose the Venom or Raider, so that the crew is imobilized.

It really depends - if the objective is out in the open with multiple enemy shooting units staring at it - yeah, I wouldn't go sit on it. That said, this is not always the case.

Graviton wrote:

What is my problem in your opinion? The tactic or the army list?

Not sure. I am not overawed by either list, but that can also depend on what your opponent is fielding (the brief descriptions don't leave me overly impressed by their lists either). I am currently most concerned by the idea you went a Maelstrom game without getting any objectives - that is unusual - and I want to understand if you have only played these two games of Maelstrom, or if you have a running habit of getting very few points.

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Some of the guys in my hobbyclub tell me still that I should use the speed of my army, but I'm affraid that when I turboboost to a mission objective that I exposure the vehicle and its crew the fire of my opponent in the next turn and lose the Venom or Raider, so that the crew is imobilized.

Maybe you're not supposed to use your speed to get to the objectives at all cost. But instead try to use it to maintain a healthy distance to your opponent. Flamer-droppods are quite easy to get away from once they're on the board, and most of the GK army have a relatively short range on their shooting. Move around them and kill off the dangerous bits, and then go more aggressive on the objectives.
Your choice of weapons counts against you here, though. Blasters/Heatlances being your only anti-tank has to be way too close to the target to work. I would definately try to look into some Dark Lances, in the form of Ravagers and Razorwing Jetfighters.

Thanks for your answers and reqests.

To Thor665s questions.
The reason why I did not got any victory point in the first of the described games was that he had the first turn and blocked the mission objectives I needed with his Droppods and the Cybots. It took me 3 rounds to kill 3 of them, but I used my whole anti tank fire, so that these units was bound in the battle and could not move to the other objectives i should take.
Then I draw two objectives he hold with his Scouts in ruins. Due to his saves I could not shoot them out. Then I was completely overkilled.

I'm not shure if I would have lost with more luck with the objectivesin the second game, but the difference in the final score would not be so high (I think).
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To Katfude and Sigmaril:

If I can find an opponent I will try a new list where I use your recommendations. Zero deployment and Ravagers for long range anti tank. I will show it here as it isfinished.

I'm guessing when you say Nemesis you mean Nemesis Dreadknights? I face 2 of them constantly as one if my friends fields them all the time. They are hard to kill but killing 2 in your first shooting phase is going to be key. This us where list building becomes important. But you mentioned that you drew Kill an enemy Psyker, well a Dreadknight is a Psyker so you should have scored 1 VP there.

As for the Scouts, they get a 2+ cover save pretty quickly when they go to ground, but you know what in your list ignores their cover saves; Dark Artisan and Medusae Templates. I would recommend removing 1 Medusae and giving your Archon a WWP for no scatter deepstrike and instant removal of those Scouts

As for the list I would like to see some more (and you need it by the sound of things) long ranged Anti Tank shooting. Ravagers work really well at this and I would recommend replacing 1 Trueborn unit and 1 Scourge with 2 Ravagers. Ravagers work well against Mech targets and monstrous creatures during the early parts of the game

So this is the list for the next game:

CAD

Archon
- Blaster, Plasma Grenades, WWP
- (goes to Warriors in Raider)


9 Warriors
- Raider with Disintegrator, Nightshields and Splinter Racks

10 Warriors
- Raider with Disintegrator, Nightshields and Splinter Racks

3 Squads of Blastborn
- Venom with 2x Splintercannons

3 Squads of 3 Reavers
- every one wit Cluster Caltrops

2 Ravager
- 3 Dark Lances, Nightschield

Talos
- Twin-Linked Haywire Blaster, Ichor Injector

Scalpel Squadron
- 2x 5 Wracks, Ossefactor
- 2x Venoms, 2x Splinter Cannons

This should be enough anti tank and most of it would not be inflicted by jinking.
I'm not shure if the Ossefactors are necessary. I see them in many lists of other DE-players, but I think a S3 template is not verry awesome. I will try them Otherwise.

Regards,

Graviton