1750 fresh DE

Help me to tune this list.

HQ:

Archon
Agoniser
Combat Drugs
Shadowfield
2xSslyth
2xMedusae
1xLhamaean
1x Ur-Ghul
Raider
Flickerfield
Night Shields

Elite

3x Trueborn
3x Blaster
Venom
Splinter Cannon

3x Trueborn
3x Blaster
Venom
Splinter Cannon

3x Trueborn
3x Blaster
Venom
Splinter Cannon

Troops

5x Warriors
1x Blaster
Venom
Splinter Cannon

5x Warriors
1x Blaster
Venom
Splinter Cannon

5x Warriors
1x Blaster
Venom
Splinter Cannon

5x Wyches
5x Haywire Granade
upgrade to Hekatrix
Agoniser
Venom
Splinter Cannon
Night Shields

Heavy Support

Voidraven Bomber
Flickerfield
Night Shields

Voidraven Bomber
Flickerfield
Night Shields

Ravager
Flickerfield


Reason of venom spam is because I bought 8 boxes dirty cheap.

I'd try to make the Wych squad bigger and put them in a Raider, I don't think only 5 of them will do quite enough, a few more would do well I think.

ainuin wrote:

Help me to tune this list.

Deal.

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Archon
Agoniser
Combat Drugs
Shadowfield
2xSslyth
2xMedusae
1xLhamaean
1x Ur-Ghul
Raider
Flickerfield
Night Shields

I do not understand what you're trying to do here.
I'm guessing the plan is that the Archon seperates from the squad and runs off to assault stuff, while the Court hangs out and shoots/flames infantry from the Raider.

If that is the plan I'll note you can do it basically better and cheaper by using 5 Wracks w. Liquifier+Haem and that would give your Archon a Pain Token to use after he disembarks.

If you're planning to have them hop out and assault stuff with the Archon I'll note that the Ur-Ghul will serve you a lot better than Medusae - as they'll not make you shoot as opposed to running, and Ur-Ghuls actually hit pretty hard, 4 Str 5 attacks at I 6 isn't shabby.

Overall - I personally think you'd be better served by not using the Court at all, the models look pretty cool for the most part, but they are a unit that isn't actually very good at anything.

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3x Trueborn
3x Blaster
Venom
Splinter Cannon

3 of these is something I use a lot myself, I approve.

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5x Warriors
1x Blaster
Venom
Splinter Cannon

These are fine.

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5x Wyches
5x Haywire Granade
upgrade to Hekatrix
Agoniser
Venom
Splinter Cannon
Night Shields

This is workable - but with only one squad of Wyches and lacking FNP there are not a lot of things you'll want to assault.

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Voidraven Bomber
Flickerfield
Night Shields

I personally believe the Ravager with three lances is almost as good (well...personally I think he's better, but others disagree) but he is at *least* almost as good as a Voidraven...and costs like 40 points less. 80 points can do a lot for an army - are you really using them in the best way here?

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Ravager
Flickerfield

Fine.

I think the big question marks for you are the Court and the Wyches. I'd probably want more than 5 Wyches - so would either want them in the Raider for a bigger squad, or to have 2x Wyches in Venoms, so they can dual assault (which actually works very well). I think the Court is a big points sink for the list and isn't helping you accomplish anything - especially not with all those Venoms out there.

Thank you for answers

Original plan was to field Archon with court on Venom. Unfortunatly it would be too weak unit to do anything good. I noticed It is really expensive unit. My goal was to make unit that can shoot well and assault stuff when it is necessary.

I can exchange court for another unit of Venom wyches or anything assault friendly.

Voidraven Bomber looks good on paper. Supersonic movement with nighshield and bomb can be lethal. After bombing I can still move 12" and hurt with Str 9 voidlances. I belive 1 bomber cant do much because It will be primary first turn target, 3 are too expensive.

I was considering Razorwing Jetfighter but I like bomber better.

Heres one thing I'll say about the bomber

Pure killing power you can debate all day its pros and cons over the humble ravager. But I have issues with its survivability

The ravager can use terrain effectively and can actually be hidden. Everyone can see our bomber from everywhere!!! So heavy weapons can always find the raven! Even a turn stun locked is a death sentence for it! That would pretty much be my only issue with it

After battle thoughts

Archon.
Tough guy. I'm thinking about soul-trap.
Court. Sslyth and Ur-Ghul are ok. Medusae is too random.

Conclusion - drop one meduase and field one more Sslyth, or drop whole court and field soul trap Archon with Incubi on venom

Trueborn and Warriors - units are ok.

Wyches - too few of them. 5 wyches are dying too fast.
Conclusion -Increase numer of wyches and buy them Raider, or field another 5 with venom

Voidraven bomber:

Its hard to be out of range of Lascannon. Railgun is like mission impossible. If bomber survives 2 turns it is unstopable.

Conclusion: Sometimes I was missing rocket, but there are other units that can deal with infantry. Bomb is great, unfortunatly there is only one. I think one bomber is enough. One bomber was dropped in turn 2, second made points for both
Possible tactic: IF there is unit worth 300+ points on table, try to keep it busy with wyches for turn or 2 to conviently set the bomber and supersonic bomb.


As you can see, my English is far from fluent, but I hope you can understand everything.

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The ravager can use terrain effectively and can actually be hidden. Everyone can see our bomber from everywhere!!!

This, sir means you play on desert, change battlefield to propper one and your razorwing will survive to the end(since you fire all missiles[at some point-proppably turn 3] it lose threat=less incoming fire)

Good sir...I play on well terrained tables quite frequently, But I rarely find more than 1 terrain piece that has sufficient height to screen the bomber from view. If I lose the deployment roll I don't get its use

So I still believe my point stands

After several battles I've found my allround list. Thank you for your comments and help.

I scored minor victory vs solid space wolves, had little problems with tau railtrain, and really crushed tyranids. Also there was draw against GK.

Here is list and conclusion

Archon, Agoniser, Combat Drugs, Shadow field, Soul Trap, Phantasm granade launcher

4 Incubi, venom, splinter cannon

Great, cheap unit. Too bad no one wanted to fight with str 6 archon.

Two same units

3x Trueborn, 3x Blaster, venom, splinter cannon.

cheap, effective. They scored some glancing hits. Unfortunatly none of them survived till last turn

Three same units

5x Warrior, 1x Blaster, Raider, Flickerfield

Because I wanted more Dark Lances, It was good really good move.

Two same units

5x wyches, upgrade to hekatrix, haywire granades, agoniser

Thank you Thor 665 for help. 5 didnt worked well, 2x5 are ok. They can score some kills, they can tarpit or support archon

Ravager Flickerfield, Aethersails
Voidraven Bomber, flickerfield, nightshields
Razorwing Jetfighter, flickerfield, nightshields

Against space wolves I lost bomber in turn 2, what a shame ^_^. Razorwing scored around 250 points in turn 1, after enraged Tau busted poor jetfighter. Both are nice objective hunters. I used void mine once, it scattered 6 inches and killed 2 Incubi