Webway Portal, who is misreading the rules.

If the transport is destroyed, you get a kill point. Even if the Archon is still alive. Because they count as two units.

And yes, I quote the German book because I'm German

Ah, I see, makes sense. Thank you

ndphoto wrote:

Wow, didn't know that. So where it states in the Codex that an Archon can take a dedicated transport, that transport actually becomes a separate unit?! That's not what the rule book states, had it been changed in an FAQ.

It actually is exactly what the rule book states!

You may take the transport from the same slot on the FOC but its always a separate unit

Smashing, I didn't know that, thank you for letting me know.

Okay all, thank you for the advice so far, so are we saying that you can't use the web way portal to deep strike an Archon who has a Venom as a dedicated transport?

That's never what I said...

You can deep Strike the Archon with Venom. Even with a squad. As long as the Archon has joined the squad and is transported by the Venom. Otherwise the WWP rules wouldn't apply and you'd have to deep Strike them separately. Say the squad with Warriors and archon and a separate roll for the Venom. And I'm that case the Venom uses his own deep Strike rules and does scatter

Super, thankyou for the confirmation Cpt.

To clarify: the Archon may Deep Strike, along with any unit he has joined, and any transport that unit is actually embarked on.

But no unit can embark Archons own dedicated Venom to Deepstrike?

Because only dedicate's transport owner unit can start in it in deployment. Other IC:s can join archon in his venom though to deepstrike.

why not? 3 incubus + klaivex + archon in a venom.

archon + joined unit (incubus) + transport (venom)

kabalite warriors or trueborn not because the min squad size is 5, plus archon became 6....and venom could only transport 5 models.

But you could buy the true born a Raider and stick the Archon in there too to get them all to deep Strike.

Independent characters cannot join units that have vehicles.

They can...

Really?

Of course they can (as long as the Transport has enough spcae for the IC). IC's can not join units which ARE vehicles, but units IN vehicles are fine.

Cool, still learning the rules guys, still learning the rules. Thanks for ask your help.

Nope. A unit plus any attached ICs can get into their own dedicated transport. So you could not attach a non IC unit to the Archon and then get into his Venom. (He'd have to get into theirs.)

Really? You can't put Incubbi into the Venom of the Archon together with him?

Semantically no. But is there a material difference between the archons venom and the incubi's venom when they are identical after the beginning of your first turn anyway?

Yes.  One Venom is an HQ venom and one is an Elite Venom, which will matter for some Objective Cards or Mission Rules.

RCZ wrote:

why not? 3 incubus + klaivex + archon in a venom.

archon + joined unit (incubus) + transport (venom)

kabalite warriors or trueborn not because the min squad size is 5, plus archon became 6....and venom could only transport 5 models.

Yes in Incubis dedicatred venom from deployment but no to Archons dedicated venom.

Hi, can some one help me with one my problem?
I'm from Russia, my friends does not believe that the German version of the codex, Archon with WWP in Raider don't scatter.
Can someone take a photo of the rules of the portal in the German version of the codex?

Sry me for my bad english, I hope everyone was able to correctly say

Scadi wrote:

Sry me for my bad english, I hope everyone was able to correctly say

Your english is better than most these days, don't worry. I'll take a pic when I get home unless somebody else does first (I'll be away from home for a few days)