Dark Artisan Rules Questions

Hellion Posts : 45 Join date : 2013-09-03 Location : SoCal

Can the Dark Artisan formation be joined by a squad of 5 kabalite warriors? It only states it can't be joined by independent characters.

If so, will the units majority save be 5+? Therefore grav guns would wound the combined unit on a 5?

Also if the Haemonculous has a WWP can he deepstrike with the formation + 5 warriors?

Kabalite Warrior Posts : 167 Join date : 2011-12-22

Warriors can't join units ever in any case, so regardless of the Dark Artisan's restrictions warriors would not be able to join them unfortunately.

Subject: Re: Dark Artisan Rules Questions Mon Feb 23 2015, 20:29

Caldria wrote:: Warriors can't join units ever in any case, so regardless of the Dark Artisan's restrictions warriors would not be able to join them unfortunately.

This would be my interpretation as well.

Hellion Posts : 45 Join date : 2013-09-03 Location : SoCal

I think that's why I'm confused. Does the Dark Artisan act as a Independent Character type of unit itself. So conversely can it join other units?

Subject: Re: Dark Artisan Rules Questions Mon Feb 23 2015, 20:50

organicpesticide wrote:: I think that's why I'm confused. Does the Dark Artisan act as a Independent Character type of unit itself. So conversely can it join other units?

Think of it as a unit. Can't be joined by independent characters because of the rule in the entry, can't be joined by units because it's a unit.

Subject: Re: Dark Artisan Rules Questions Mon Feb 23 2015, 22:52

you also have to remember, that ordinarily the talos and cronos wouldn't be able to be joined by the haemonculus were it not for the formation rule, nor would they be able to join each other. Nothing in the formation rule allows other units to join the monstrous creatures, even if it doesn't say they can't join the haemonculus.

Subject: Re: Dark Artisan Rules Questions Mon Feb 23 2015, 23:25

I forgot the ruling but did we determine if it is a squad of talos and cronos or just 1 of each?

Slave Posts : 13 Join date : 2015-01-15

Bleaksoul Brethren wrote:: I forgot the ruling but did we determine if it is a squad of talos and cronos or just 1 of each?

I have seen in played as a unit of each + HQ but we are still waiting to see a response to our FAQ to GW on this one. There is no way my gaming group would let me play it as a unit of 3 talos and cronos as it stretches the wording of the entry a little far IMO.

Hellion Posts : 45 Join date : 2013-09-03 Location : SoCal

According to the Haemonculous Covens Supplement "All units in this Formation must be fielded as a single unit, even though this is not normally allowed. Models with the Independent Character special rule cannot join this unit." This means the unit still has a majority toughness of 7. So if the haemonculous is in front (equidistant from the Talos and Cronos) all wound rolls must used toughness 7? Additionally, does that mean weapons that double out the haemonculous' toughness of 4 are ineffective?

Hellion Posts : 78 Join date : 2015-02-08

organicpesticide wrote:: According to the Haemonculous Covens Supplement "All units in this Formation must be fielded as a single unit, even though this is not normally allowed. Models with the Independent Character special rule cannot join this unit." This means the unit still has a majority toughness of 7. So if the haemonculous is in front (equidistant from the Talos and Cronos) all wound rolls must used toughness 7? Additionally, does that mean weapons that double out the haemonculous' toughness of 4 are ineffective?

In the shooting phase, yes, the majority T is 7, so all attacks are rolled against that value. As 7 can't be doubled, the haemy can't be instantdeathed.

Kabalite Warrior Posts : 167 Join date : 2011-12-22

That only counts for when rolling to wound. If a S8 wound is allocated to the haemonculus and his save is failed, he will still be doubled out and die instantly.

Hellion Posts : 78 Join date : 2015-02-08

Caldria wrote:: That only counts for when rolling to wound. If a S8 wound is allocated to the haemonculus and his save is failed, he will still be doubled out and die instantly.

True point, I stand corrected.

Hellion Posts : 45 Join date : 2013-09-03 Location : SoCal

That makes sense. If I understand correctly the Haemonculous wouldn't be able to take a 3+(1+, 4) Feel No Pain because he already took the instant death wound?

Kabalite Warrior Posts : 167 Join date : 2011-12-22

That's correct - however, in order to have the 3+ FnP you're most likely using the nightmare doll, which ignores the first instant death wound the Haemonculus would receive, and then breaks - unable to be used for the rest of the game. So there is that still.

Hellion Posts : 45 Join date : 2013-09-03 Location : SoCal

Is the look out sir roll a 2+ in this case(Haemonculous is an IC)? Just in case you want to allocate >strength 8 wounds to the MCs.

Kabalite Warrior Posts : 167 Join date : 2011-12-22

Indeed it is.

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