NEW (First Draft FAQs!

Okay so it is retarded. Awesome.
I thought 1 save for all would be nice middle ground between 1 save for each venom / passengers and the stupid way it actually is. Naive me...

So we are like Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy in the Invisible Boatmobile

i had to google that, but yeah that fits perfectly

I'd liken it to a Rogue in D&D who can only Hide if he's playing a trombone.

Alvaneron wrote:

There is no reason for DE not to do dogfight.
Our flyers are cheap, fast and agile, we can hit them with lance weapons and (thanks FAQ) with rockets.

And no particular reason for other people to agree to have dogfights, or not to try and evade an unwelcome one even if they did (50/50 chance thereof).  I mentioned this in another thread but if the early reviews/summaries are any indicator - getting people to agree to this new phase is going to be a problem.

Alvaneron wrote:

We have no other AA, the dogfight is our only chance to attack a flyer without a whole army under us with AA.

They're not very dark eldar, but every army has access to fortifications and therefore anti-air.  I have a feeling if people start fielding large quantities of flyers - fortifications will remind us exactly why that strategy didn't "fly" in 6th edition.  After the stronghold assault update in 2014 - the options for fortifications are considerably better but have yet to see real use in most circles.

Alvaneron wrote:

Even if we lose a HP

AV10 Flyer - that's not usually how this works.

The most likely players to accept dogfights will have fighters of their own.  I'm not really sure why people think we have such an advantage here - honestly sit down and look at the two other most likely participants (stormhawk and crimson hunter) before you go buy $200 worth of flyers.  The stormhawk can fire 9 shots at a time, 7 of which are twin linked while the other 2 are lascannons.  Ya the razorwing has a slight advantage in pursuit/agility, but considering how easily a stormhawk can turn AV10 into a cloud of debris...

stilgar27 wrote:

The most likely players to accept dogfights will have fighters of their own.  I'm not really sure why people think we have such an advantage here - honestly sit down and look at the two other most likely participants (stormhawk and crimson hunter) before you go buy $200 worth of flyers.  The stormhawk can fire 9 shots at a time, 7 of which are twin linked while the other 2 are lascannons.  Ya the razorwing has a slight advantage in pursuit/agility, but considering how easily a stormhawk can turn AV10 into a cloud of debris...

The dogfights kinda *need* to be included in order for the rules changes to balance out. For competitive play, I can see TO's either requiring that players agree to dogfights, or just throwing out the book altogether (aside from the new dataslates) and just using the original flyer rules. There doesn't appear to be any middle ground.

stilgar27 wrote:

honestly sit down and look at the two other most likely participants (stormhawk and crimson hunter) before you go buy $200 worth of flyers.  The stormhawk can fire 9 shots at a time, 7 of which are twin linked while the other 2 are lascannons.  Ya the razorwing has a slight advantage in pursuit/agility, but considering how easily a stormhawk can turn AV10 into a cloud of debris...

Yeah that's what i was thinking. We are outmatched even with cool stats.

I will wait to see if it gets picked up in my area (unlikely), even then i'm not convinced multiple DE flyers are going to be worth the extreme cost in points and $.

The GW Facebook Page has just uploaded the draft FAQs for Admech, both Skitarii and Cult.

I wouldn't say there's anything in there which tragically effects us, but thought it worth raising to see if there was anythihg.

If they release a FAQ per week... we'll see it in 2020...

stilgar27 wrote:

They're not very dark eldar, but every army has access to fortifications and therefore anti-air.  I have a feeling if people start fielding large quantities of flyers - fortifications will remind us exactly why that strategy didn't "fly" in 6th edition.  After the stronghold assault update in 2014 - the options for fortifications are considerably better but have yet to see real use in most circles.

Most fortifications faded out because they are not very good. And a lot of flyers faded out because they either got nerfed (Drake, Vendetta,..) or have no more place in the meta due to the firepower of post necron codices.
There was never a single instance where I considered a Firestom a lethal threat to a 3 Heldrake list.
The presence of Tau alone discourages flyer use in tournaments.
DftS will change nothing at all. The rules are basically a stone/paper/scissors game that takes an additional table while DE gain nothing out of it.
If you actually have to use your missiles on enemy aircraft you already traded unfavorable.

Klaivex Charondyr wrote:

If you actually have to use your missiles on enemy aircraft you already traded unfavorable.

I've been biting my tongue on this since I read the faq, but this is especially true if you're paying an extra 20 points for them.  Most of the value of the razorwing is in the missiles.  If you're wasting the blasts (and shred if you paid for the upgrade) on a 125-130 point flyer you probably won't take out anyway... you're already losing.

This problem appears unique to the "jack of all trades" razorwing though - space marine flyers tend to carry anti-vehicle missiles that are at least as effective against flyers as on the ground.  The dark angels fighter even carries (6 twin-linked) missiles which have special bonuses in dogfights.

yep. it sounds nice to shoot a missile against a flyer, but our missiles are not supposed to hit flyers. They are supposed to crush everything in its blast radius!

Other flyers don´t need to shoot with their rockets against us. They can save them for real targets and kill our flyers with normal weapons (with no extra points spend).

That said, it is a buff, but not one we wanted^^

If you shoot a blast missile at a flyer, will it still hit ground targets in the radius?

Jimsolo wrote:

If you shoot a blast missile at a flyer, will it still hit ground targets in the radius?

Not in a Dogfight, because you play on another table. In the Air, so to speak.

But thats a good question. The blast radius is just 5", and the flyer-base quite big but it is possible to hit other targets. Thats a question for the FAQ

Why? A missile launcher also only hits the height level it was aimed against.

CptMetal wrote:

Why? A missile launcher also only hits the height level it was aimed against.

Not any more

What? Is that something from the faq? What does it say now?

From the first draft of the FAQ:

BLAST MARKERS & TEMPLATES
Q: Do blast weapons, regardless of size or type, now hit all models at all height levels under the template? And if so, is intervening terrain (such as bridges or floors) ignored when determining how many hits are caused?
A: A blast marker or template affects all models underneath it, including those on different levels of a piece of scenery. (Designer’s Note: Earlier versions of this rule restricted the effect of blast markers and templates to models on ‘a single level’ of scenery. This created problems with scenery that didn’t have strictly definable ‘levels’ and we decided on this change for simplicity. In addition, we feel the rules now better reflect the explosions being three-dimensional (i.e. spherical and not circular) as well as better representing the deadliness of weapons such a flamers when used in confined spaces.)

Oh. That's new for me. Now I have to think of something to exploit it except Medusae

That was RAW at the start of 7th, but a lot of people thought/wanted to think that it was just an oversight.

It wasn't Raw in the German rule book version.... :/

A new batch went up today.

Not that exciting - Sisters, Militarum Tempestus, Assassins and Inquisition.
Nothing that really affects DE except a mild clarification as to what counts as Plasma for the Ulumeathi Plasma Syphon (anything Tau with "Plasma" in the name) and it seems Coteaz intercepting everything is legit.
Very light this time around.

And a new batch. Very unexciting - Deathwatch, Genestealers Cult and Imperial knights.
Only thing of any interest is Genestealer Cult now being Allies Of Convenience with Tyranids.


I'm going to shoot for a prediction - all the Eldar races in one go (Craftworld, Dark and Harlequins), and sometime quite soon I think.

I agree Squid with your release block but won't be holding by breath. The first one and this one are released a week apart so still have 7 days till the next release

True, but the current theme seems to be "small" books - smaller Codecies (like AdMech) and Dataslates. I think w;ere due a proper big Codex, and I don;t think they'll blow their Astartes load in one go, and Tyrnaids would probably try to cover the extra campaign additions at the same time. I'm irrationally optimistic.

They are not doing ours as the new book will be out by the time they get to it. I know wishful thinking. But let me hope.