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Father Dagon Hellion
Posts : 49 Join date : 2011-05-25 Location : USA
| Subject: The Kabal of the Bliss Bereaved 2000 Tue Oct 11 2011, 22:09 | |
| 2000 LIST (1991)
Archon “Vivyrus Tristatian” Combat drugs Soul-trap Djin Blade Shadow Field Webway Portal
Haemonculus “Radian Yrreth” Hexrifle Dark Gate
ELITES
ARCHON’S POSSE 4 Incubi -Venom Splinter Cannon
TROOPS
HAEMONCULUS’ GANG 9 Wyches Shardnet and Impaler 9 Haywire grenades Hekatrix “Daria” Agoniser -Raider “The Falcon Fragmented” Flickerfield
10 Kabalite Warriors Blaster Sybarite “Thel” -Raider “The Eagle Enslaved” Night shields Flickerfield
10 Kabalite Warriors Blaster Sybarite “Vasehd” -Raider “The Osprey Oppressed” Night shields Flickerfield
10 Wyches Razorflails Shardnet and Impaler 10 Haywire grenades Hekatrix “Hethriax” Agoniser
10 Wracks 2 Liquifier guns Acothyst Agoniser -Raider “The Vulture Violated” Flickerfield
HEAVY SUPPORT
Voidraven Bomber “A Darkness Triumphant” 4 Shatterfield missiles Night shield Flickerfield
Voidraven Bomber “A Light Extinguished” 4 Shatterfield missiles Night shields Flickerfield
Talos Pain Engine “Gabriel” Chain flails Additional CCW Twin-linked heat lance
This is to be my first serious 40k army. The battle plan goes something as follows (and it will certainly evolve as the hobby goes on). Raiders with CQC squads get into close range (hence, no nightshields), the ranged guys do their thing (I'll figure that out later), the Haemonculus gives up his Pain Token, hunkers down and snipes people until they get too close, in which case he will Dark Gate them. I'm thinking I might need a new Haemonculus to do a more traditional thing, like Agonizer + Liquifier. WWP delivery is also a quandry.
Anyway, thank you so much for your scrutiny! Tear it apart! | |
| | | Thor665 Archon
Posts : 5546 Join date : 2011-06-10 Location : Venice, FL
| Subject: Re: The Kabal of the Bliss Bereaved 2000 Wed Oct 12 2011, 03:42 | |
| - Father Dagon wrote:
- Tear it apart!
All answers based off this - Father Dagon wrote:
- Archon “Vivyrus Tristatian”
Combat drugs Soul-trap Djin Blade Shadow Field Webway Portal Huskblade works so well with Soul Trap because it has a chance to insta-glib stuff, making it easier to kill the stuff that you want to kill in order to get Soul Trap to work. Eh, not bad, just a less easy way to try the combo. Also, I dislike WWPs on Archons, because it means your Archon is wasting time dorking around and dropping portals instead of assaulting stuff. Best plan? I have doubts. Final thought - you're with Incubi, Incubi benefit from grenades, no PGL? - Father Dagon wrote:
- Haemonculus “Radian Yrreth”
Hexrifle Dark Gate Statistically the Hexrifle is a joke. Even ignoring statistics it's a weaker version of a regular sniper rifle - worth paying much for? I have doubts. He also has a long range weapon but is riding with a posse that's going to get up close and personal - meh. - Father Dagon wrote:
- ARCHON’S POSSE
4 Incubi -Venom Splinter Cannon Fine. - Father Dagon wrote:
- HAEMONCULUS’ GANG
9 Wyches Shardnet and Impaler 9 Haywire grenades Hekatrix “Daria” Agoniser -Raider “The Falcon Fragmented” Flickerfield Fine. - Father Dagon wrote:
- 10 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster Sybarite “Thel” -Raider “The Eagle Enslaved” Night shields Flickerfield Why 10 guys but no heavy weapon selection? Why is the Sybarite there if you're not taking any upgrades with it? Don't spend points that don't have a purpose, yeah? - Father Dagon wrote:
- 10 Wyches
Razorflails Shardnet and Impaler 10 Haywire grenades Hekatrix “Hethriax” Agoniser Razorflail = I want to kill more. Shardnet = I want to tarpit better. What do you want the squad to do during the game? Why not take only the weapon that serves that goal? By the time you're paying for 10 Wyches I'm pretty sure your goal isn't tarpit - just saying. - Father Dagon wrote:
- 10 Wracks
2 Liquifier guns Acothyst Agoniser -Raider “The Vulture Violated” Flickerfield Fine. - Father Dagon wrote:
- Voidraven Bomber “A Darkness Triumphant”
4 Shatterfield missiles Night shield Flickerfield Lots of points being spent here - are we clear on the purpose? Almost the entirety of the rest of your list is built to kill infantry - what are those missiles here for? More infantry killing? Isn't this unit likely to be shooting those uber expensive Void Lances you just shelled out for instead? So...then why missiles? I think this unit is too pricey and too multi-purpose to ever functionally serve you well enough in the game to be worthy of the cost you're paying for it. - Father Dagon wrote:
- Talos Pain Engine “Gabriel”
Chain flails Additional CCW Twin-linked heat lance So...basically all that's coming out of your WWP is a squad of Wyches and this Talos? Is that worth paying points for the right to have your Archon running around in the open opening portals instead of assaulting stuff? I'd suggest either going full bore with the WWP - or just buying some transports for your Wyches, at the moment you don't have enough pop to make the WWP seem remotely worth gakking around with. | |
| | | Father Dagon Hellion
Posts : 49 Join date : 2011-05-25 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: The Kabal of the Bliss Bereaved 2000 Wed Oct 12 2011, 04:12 | |
| First of all, once more, thank your for your butchery.
I never realized the specialization that went into the Wych weapons. This is duly noted, and will be altered for the future.
Sybarites: They're there for the extra leadership. I can't have these guys bitching out when I need them. 10-man squads: I kinda figured I could go for extra durability, though that probably means nothing among the DE. I'm under the impression that Heavy Weapons on our Warriors are a bad idea, due to restricting their mobility?
Haemonculus: Yeah, I'm kinda iffy on him too. Sadly, he's already assembled and painted. The idea is that he would give up his Pain Token, hide somewhere, snipe, release the Dark Gate, and that's how he'd have his fun. I just kinda wanted a sniper unit.
Voidraven: I'll be honest: It's pretty immature, but I really want to kill things in this game. It's the best part. The idea of dropping 4 large templates on some fools just seems kickass.
WWP: You are pretty right. This list needs revising. But, alas, it comes closer all the time.
Really, I built this list around having fun. I tend to really like explosions in this game. | |
| | | Thor665 Archon
Posts : 5546 Join date : 2011-06-10 Location : Venice, FL
| Subject: Re: The Kabal of the Bliss Bereaved 2000 Wed Oct 12 2011, 04:55 | |
| The list will definitely provide explosions.
10 man squad; by the time buying 10 of them is worth it, why not buy the S.Cannon? If you don't want the S.Cannon, why not drop five men off each squad and use the points to buy something else? _________________ The Title Troupe! - Nom fellow posters for custom titles. | |
| | | Father Dagon Hellion
Posts : 49 Join date : 2011-05-25 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: The Kabal of the Bliss Bereaved 2000 Wed Oct 12 2011, 17:17 | |
| So what would you recommend? Reducing my Warrior squads down to seven, scrounging up some points, buying the Raiderless Wyches a Raider, perhaps? Is it reasonable to get the Talos in position without a WWP? I might just pop of Radian's hexrifle and give him a Liquifier... just like everyone else... Also, I'm considering giving my Acothyst a Flesh Gauntlet instead of an Agonizer. Is that a good idea? Basically, does anyone have any idea of what I could do to make this list more viable? It's intended to be a fun list, I'm not too keen on competition yet. ======================= Sorry to doublepost, but I'm considering dropping the Voidravens for a couple of standard Razorwing Jetfighters plus flickerfields and night shields. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I would see about getting a crew of Venom-bound Blasterborn with the spare points. ======================= Extremely sorry for the triple post, but I'ma guess it's the only way to draw attention to the new list. 2000 LIST (2000) Archon “Vivyrus Tristatian” Combat drugs Soul-trap Huskblade Phantasm Grenade Launcher Shadow Field 170 Haemonculus “Radian Yrreth” Liquifier Gun Flesh Gauntlet 80 ELITES ARCHON’S POSSE 4 Incubi -Venom Splinter Cannon 153 3 Kabalite Trueborn 2 Dark Lances 86 TROOPS HAEMONCULUS’ GANG 9 Wyches Hydra Gauntlets 9 Haywire grenades Hekatrix “Daria” Agoniser 168 -Raider “The Falcon Fragmented” Flickerfield 70 10 Wyches Razorflails Razorflails 10 Haywire grenades Hekatrix “Hethriax” Agoniser 190 -Raider “The Condor Captivated” Flickerfield 70 6 Kabalite Warriors Blaster Sybarite “Thel” 79 -Raider “The Eagle Enslaved” Night shields Flickerfield 80 6 Kabalite Warriors Blaster Sybarite “Vasehd” (This guy needs a new name, maybe.) 79 -Raider “The Osprey Oppressed” Night shields Flickerfield 80 10 Wracks “The Altered Boys” 2 Liquifier guns Acothyst Flesh Gauntlet 150 -Raider “The Vulture Violated” Flickerfield 70 HEAVY SUPPORT Razorwing Jetfighter “A Darkness Triumphant” Night shield Flickerfield 165 Razorwing Jetfighter “A Light Extinguished” Night shield Flickerfield 165 Talos Pain Engine “Gabriel” Chain flails Additional CCW Twin-linked heat lance 135 Anyway, the battle plan: Pretty typical. Get in there fast, assault ASAP, shoot stuff, Haemonculus goes with the Wyches and has fun Liquifying things. Razorwings blow two squads to Hell, hopefully, and then fly around shooting vehicles until they are sent crashing into the ground and into Slaanesh's Most Sensous Gut. It shall all be very fun, I think. 13 Darklight weapons and one twin-linked heat lance. Multiple Posts condensed, yadda yadda, you know there's rules about double/triple posting -Thor | |
| | | Thor665 Archon
Posts : 5546 Join date : 2011-06-10 Location : Venice, FL
| Subject: Re: The Kabal of the Bliss Bereaved 2000 Tue Oct 18 2011, 01:13 | |
| - Father Dagon wrote:
- So what would you recommend? Reducing my Warrior squads down to seven, scrounging up some points, buying the Raiderless Wyches a Raider, perhaps? Is it reasonable to get the Talos in position without a WWP?
Yes, a Talos is capable of footslogging, and the Wyches in a Raider would be a nice upgrade in potency. I'd drop the Warriors to five, by the time you drop them to seven are those extra two guys really getting you anything? - Father Dagon wrote:
- I might just pop of Radian's hexrifle and give him a Liquifier... just like everyone else...
Everyone else does it because the Liquifier is AWESOME. If you want to be different just for the sake of being different, at least look at options like Dark Gate or Shattershard, which can still be useful. The Hexrifle is just unmitigated design fail. - Father Dagon wrote:
- Also, I'm considering giving my Acothyst a Flesh Gauntlet instead of an Agonizer. Is that a good idea?
Personally I don't think so. The Agoniser is a power weapon that costs 20 and wounds on 4+ The poison blades he starts with are poisoned and wound on 4+ The Flesh Gauntlet costs 20 and wounds on 4+ and causes insta death. So, you're paying 20 points for a weapon that will give you -1 attack and allows the same amount of armor protection as your *free* basic weapon. So, how often will that ID effect work? Will it work 20 points of value often? I personally doubt it - I'd stick with the Agoniser or the base weapon loadout of the Acothyst. - Father Dagon wrote:
- Basically, does anyone have any idea of what I could do to make this list more viable? It's intended to be a fun list, I'm not too keen on competition yet.
Where do you draw the line between viable and competitive? - Father Dagon wrote:
- Posts new list
You look a little weak versus mech. I think both uses of Flesh Gauntlets are mistakes (are you hoping to get that Haem into assault with the Wyches?) I like the Archon/Incubi loadout. I still think the random Syb in the Warrior units is basically meaningless - he's adding nothing to them except being expensive and giving them a slightly better leadership - whoo-hoo...? | |
| | | Father Dagon Hellion
Posts : 49 Join date : 2011-05-25 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: The Kabal of the Bliss Bereaved 2000 Mon Oct 24 2011, 20:43 | |
| Hmm... So I guess you make a good point. The Sybs shall be gone from the list, and I shall figure out something better to do with 20 points. As for AT, perhaps I should strip the Archon, give her a blaster and shadowfield, alter the Dark Lance Trueborn and make them a traditional four or three woman strong Blasterborn unit in a Venom and put the Archon with them.
Also, I dread that I've yet to really play a game with these guys yet, and I'm pretty new to 40k, so, I must ask, what should the Haemonculus do? I was planning on letting him go with the wyches so he could help them out by spewing loads of acid into enemies to soften them up before an assault. What else should he be doing? My understanding is that, with a template weapon like that, he'll be in assault range the turn he gets to use it, so shouldn't he be in a unit that can bring the pain? | |
| | | Thor665 Archon
Posts : 5546 Join date : 2011-06-10 Location : Venice, FL
| Subject: Re: The Kabal of the Bliss Bereaved 2000 Mon Oct 24 2011, 21:02 | |
| I hate to keep linking this here but; http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dark_Eldar_Tactica_Part_1 If you're totally lost on DE I strongly endorse the above - I understand that the guy who wrote it is awesome and has a cool beard too. To your questions; 1. Shadowfield on a Blaster Archon riding with Trueborn? Meh, why? He's a shooty lord at that point, in assault he should be a shooty unit, it'll help you recall what he's there for 2. Haems in flame range hardly need to assault. Frankly I never get my Haems out of my Raiders if I can help it - they sit in there flaming, if someone manages to take down the Raider then I crawl out of the wreckage and keep flaming. I have one of the best flamers out there so I'm going to use it as much as possible. You can certainly build a unit that, paired with a Haem, is a solid assault tool, but he doesn't need to have that to be effective. _________________ The Title Troupe! - Nom fellow posters for custom titles. | |
| | | notts Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 165 Join date : 2011-10-19
| Subject: Re: The Kabal of the Bliss Bereaved 2000 Mon Oct 24 2011, 21:28 | |
| As far as I can tell, unless you are playing KP games, people will often not want to waste a units assault/shooting to kill one hemy- there should be plenty of other targets flying around!
So he mooches about flaming things until the enemy eventually decide they should kill him. And if they kill him straight away, it means they probably aren't shooting at a raider/ravager/venom/whatever. | |
| | | Father Dagon Hellion
Posts : 49 Join date : 2011-05-25 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: The Kabal of the Bliss Bereaved 2000 Mon Oct 24 2011, 22:36 | |
| - Thor665 wrote:
- I hate to keep linking this here but;
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dark_Eldar_Tactica_Part_1 Haha, I've already found that, and I have enjoyed reading it. It's really a fine article, and I have taken it into account for this army list. Good work, man. | |
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