Ynnari Knight killing tactics

Mucking around with the new rules and rolling dice a dozen times I've basically killed a Knight in 1 turn each and every time. As I'm in a pure Dark Eldar player here's what I've come up with, using a Reborn Warhost detachment (and taking minimum 7 units).

5 Trueborn, 4 Blasters in Raider
5 Scourge, 4 Haywire Blasters
1 Beastmaster

Basic plan; Trueborn's Raider moves up and they disembark, Scourge move up to target secondary angle, Beastmaster leaps the shortest route possible. Knight player nominates shield facing, fire all weapons. In the assault phase the Beastmaster charges in, gets destroyed at initiative step 4, allowing both Trueborn and Scourge to fire again - boom dead Knight - and before he can make Stomp attacks. The mega blast is a concern but all in all this combo comes out cheaper than the target itself. Just keep the 2 shooting units within 7" of where the Beastmaster charges.

Curious to hear other players takes on the subject.

It depends entirely on whether or not you nail the deep strikes, as they would have to be very close to one another to pull this off. If you don't hit that bullseye the rest of the dominos collapse like a house of cards. Checkmate.

Fire Dragons plus Archon in a Raider.

Raider Deep Strikes with no Scatter across two of the Knight's arcs. Ion Shield is declared, Fire Dragons shoot into the other arc. Blast takes out Raider (potentially) and Fire Dragons take a couple S4 hits, if anything.

He said going pure DE, no CWE.

That said, I think mathematically the heat lance is our best AT weapon (assuming u can get into 9", which you have to be anyway to soulburst the beastmaster).

That being said, scourges are prob your go-to.

-A guy who has never killed a knight with DE

My bad. I assumed, given the title, that all Ynnari options were on the table.

Troupe with Caresses. Glance the bugger to death.

I didn't realize A knight was a problem for anyone. Killing 1 imperial knight is trivial, and really there is only 2 variants: one with a D-sword and the one without one. Literally everything else is gilding and window dressing.

With a D-sword you shoot it to death with 2-3+ units that are able to harm it from a variety of directions simultaneously. That way even if you fail to kill it, it won't be doing anything effective for the rest of the game. I so firmly believe that Haywire scourges are the best at doing this that 2 units of them are the reason why I ever even considered bringing vanilla dark eldar.

With just guns you charge it with multiple small units with haywire grenades, caresses, S7+, etc. Same justification as above. In this case it's more about keeping it from shooing then it is about being generally effective.

Killing 3 knights or a stompah is were things get significantly harder. A sword and board Wraithknight can potentially get up the board now so that's my answer, though I'm not going to go buy one.

The real question is how do you kill a wraithknight?

amorrowlyday wrote:

The real question is how do you kill a wraithknight?

Troupe with Neuro Disruptors

Count Adhemar wrote:

amorrowlyday wrote:

The real question is how do you kill a wraithknight?

Troupe with Neuro Disruptors

Especially now they can potentially shoot twice a turn.

If the Wraithknight retaliates and kills a Death Jester or Shadowseer, the Neuro Disruptors fire again...

Troupes really are the jack of all trades when suitably equipped. Shame a disruptor and caress is 33 points on a T3, 5++ model

for the Wraithknight, as long as it is not sword and board unless it has taken at least 2 wounds. the Yncarne will do the trick. 7 attacks on the charge, hit on 3+, wound on 2+ ap2. If it survives get attacked back 4 attacks 5+ to hit, 2+ to wound.

Unfortunately, due to FNP, the Yncarne only does 2-3 wounds to a Wraithknight on the charge (but takes only 1 wound in return). If the Stomps don't get it, then the Yncarne should win in 2 or 3 rounds.

1++ wrote:

Mucking around with the new rules and rolling dice a dozen times I've basically killed a Knight in 1 turn each and every time. As I'm in a pure Dark Eldar player here's what I've come up with, using a Reborn Warhost detachment (and taking minimum 7 units).

5 Trueborn, 4 Blasters in Raider
5 Scourge, 4 Haywire Blasters
1 Beastmaster

Basic plan; Trueborn's Raider moves up and they disembark, Scourge move up to target secondary angle, Beastmaster leaps the shortest route possible. Knight player nominates shield facing, fire all weapons. In the assault phase the Beastmaster charges in, gets destroyed at initiative step 4, allowing both Trueborn and Scourge to fire again - boom dead Knight - and before he can make Stomp attacks. The mega blast is a concern but all in all this combo comes out cheaper than the target itself. Just keep the 2 shooting units within 7" of where the Beastmaster charges.

Curious to hear other players takes on the subject.

Technically this doesn't work, I don't think. I haven't looked up all the wording on this, so take with a bit of salt and feel free to prove me wrong(I may be.). But with soulburst actions, you're forced to perform the action immediately, meaning BEFORE the knight resolves the rest of the initiative steps of combat, consolidates, etc. This means that, despite the fact that the opposing unit has died, the knight is still considered to be in combat and thus isn't a valid target for shooting until the combat fully resolves.

I hope this is incorrect.

BetrayTheWorld wrote:

Technically this doesn't work, I don't think. I haven't looked up all the wording on this, so take with a bit of salt and feel free to prove me wrong(I may be.). But with soulburst actions, you're forced to perform the action immediately, meaning BEFORE the knight resolves the rest of the initiative steps of combat, consolidates, etc. This means that, despite the fact that the opposing unit has died, the knight is still considered to be in combat and thus isn't a valid target for shooting until the combat fully resolves.

I hope this is incorrect.

You know I think you are right in saying that an assault "soulburst sacrifice" may not work due to the wording

It works if the Beast master dies to overwatch, doesn't it?

Jimsolo wrote:

It works if the Beast master dies to overwatch, doesn't it?

Yup, because no combat phase is ever initiated. Only an assault phase. (Again, my kneejerk reaction going from memory with no cross-checking of rules. Could be wrong, but doubt it.)

Jimsolo wrote:

It works if the Beast master dies to overwatch, doesn't it?

Super Heavies cant fire Overwatch...but yes to everything else

How do you mean, ie what is this in reference to? and we moved on to the Wraithknight at that point I think. Jimsolo is the only one who'd know for sure tho.