2000 Point List

Made this not caring about the fact it has a lot of drops. Figured I have plenty starting on the board and some excellent deepstrike dmg. Is this gonna work? Assume succubus is getting agonizer relic or something and an extra relic depending on what they are goes to archon. Warlord trait is the black heart 1 since I'm spending command points on webway portal and Agents of Vect or whatever
Red Grief Outrider Detachment
54 Succubus Agonizer
152 Reavers x6, x2 blasters, agonizer
148 Reavers x6, x2 blasters
128 Scourges x5, x4 blasters
128 Scourges x5, x4 blasters
128 Scourges x5, x4 blasters
734

Black Heart Battalion
74 Archon Agonizer
74 Archon Agonizer
152 Warriors x20, x4 Shredders
152 Warriors x20, x4 Shredders
30 Warriors x5
125 Ravager x3 Dissies
125 Ravager x3 Dissies
125 Ravager x3 Dissies
857

Flayed Skulls Air Superiority
135 Razorwing Jetfighter
135 Razorwing Jetfighter
135 Razorwing Jetfighter
405
2000

Look like a solid list, the only thing that worying me is you get no vehicule exept the plane and Ravager so they will be ionly target for ennemy Heavy Weapon

Overall looks pretty solid, lots of stuff you can't go wrong with. Why take warriors though with no special weapons at all? They don't feel especially threatening, if you just dropped one of those units that's enough to get in a couple shredders if you want to keep them cheap, or maybe drop something else if you want blasters. I'll be interested to see how this works out, no transports is definetly unconventional but I feel like it's a lot more doable with our new codex. I do see why you're using black heart, but obsidian rose is probably the best trait for footslogging, and their stratagem actually seems good for the big deep striking squads.

So certainly the outrider and airwing look solid, not sure about the battalion though.  I do see what you are trying to do but... just not sure I see that working,  Would probably change one of the 4 blaster scourges to 4 haywire (its better vs anything t8 and almost equal to blasters vs t7 while being half the cost) blasters are more flexible sure but... think the cost justifies it here.  Frees 36 points, drop the 2 20 man squads to 10 which frees 70 ea (2x shredders) this gives you 176 points, you can take 2 dissie raiders with 16 free points or 2 lance raiders with 6 free points.  I just can't see a 12" shredder getting use on a foot slogging troop.  Obsidian Rose honestly is the only faction I see getting much use out of shredders (18" range for them) but the raiders should give you the mobility to possibly use it I think.

GrinNfool wrote:

So certainly the outrider and airwing look solid, not sure about the battalion though.  I do see what you are trying to do but... just not sure I see that working,  Would probably change one of the 4 blaster scourges to 4 haywire (its better vs anything t8 and almost equal to blasters vs t7 while being half the cost) blasters are more flexible sure but... think the cost justifies it here.  Frees 36 points, drop the 2 20 man squads to 10 which frees 70 ea (2x shredders) this gives you 176 points, you can take 2 dissie raiders with 16 free points or 2 lance raiders with 6 free points.  I just can't see a 12" shredder getting use on a foot slogging troop.  Obsidian Rose honestly is the only faction I see getting much use out of shredders (18" range for them) but the raiders should give you the mobility to possibly use it I think.

The 2 20 man squad go in a WWP so i dont thing this change make sense

Well I look at the list to how I ran it before, with blasters now being the army's dark lances. So the army has 16 dark lances which is about as much as it needs. Disintegrators can work for dark lances, especially with the rerolls archons can give now that apply better to the curve of more shots then less shots. So the army is packing 15 disintegrator shots. I just have the warriors to throw in. I wanted command points and personally don't care the archons are on foot. I wish there was a better way to make use of them, but I did'nt feel like shelling out for a venom. Took the kabalites with shredders just to help for anti infantry.

Also if the enemy army is really anti tank or lie a bunch of flyrants, I change it up. I deploy the warriros as flyrant bait and use screaming jets on all my ravagers.

Really though I just need to put lists out there until I find a solid one.

Quauchtemoc wrote:

GrinNfool wrote:

So certainly the outrider ... .

The 2 20 man squad go in a WWP so i dont thing this change make sense

Yes I understand the 2 20 man go in a WWP, I said I see what the OP was trying to do.  I just don't see it working, at the least with the people I usually play with it wouldn't be effective.  Your and the OP's meta may vary.  The raiders do 3 things and scourges 1 1) more vehicles for your opponent to split shots at, 2) you don't have to spend 3 CP, if you still want to DS you can spend 2 which is still better than 3.  There are several good strategems for reavers, personally I'd rather keep more CP in my pocket.  3) lets the squad be mobile important for objectives and getting use out of shredders. 4) more survivable and less morale issues, and 5) if you are running 3 scourge squads as your main AV running, 1 as haywire is much more cost effective vs anything t8 vehicle wise.  I view all of that as worth 20 kabs and 4 shredders who are foot slogging, but again that is my opinion if the WWP  stuff works for you great.

If deep striking big units, I would go for Poisoned Tongue with 4 shredders and 2 splinter cannons. With an archon nearby, that's 18 wounds just from splinter-fire. Then shredders light in with 4D6 S6 -2 re-roll 1s to hit, re-roll wounds shots which basically murders all the infantry.

Against T4 Sv3+, that's 6 unsaved wounds from the shredders, and another 6 from the splinter rifles.

Against T3 Sv5+, that's 10.5 dead from shredders, and 12 from the splinter rifles.