Is Black Heart Still King?

I still love Flawed Skull Air Wing and think it has a great place, the ability to ignore cover always and to with good placement sniper weak characters is just amazing. It fell a bit out of top list due to Knights and mass IG along with BA Captains can kill it in 1 melee. But with hopefully a nerf in points from the Knight/Guardsman should be more playable.

But for local games where its semi-comp lists i will always take and it does wonders.



Knights strats should cost more, theys hould be costed for value, if it can be used on a 600-700pts knight with insane fire power, why should that strat be 1-2cp? No it should be worth more, you are using a strat on 40% of your army to gain full effectiveness. I couldnt believe they had any strats worth 1-2cp.

amishprn86 wrote:

Knights strats should cost more, theys hould be costed for value, if it can be used on a 600-700pts knight with insane fire power, why should that strat be 1-2cp? No it should be worth more, you are using a strat on 40% of your army to gain full effectiveness. I couldnt believe they had any strats worth 1-2cp.

That's a good point.

But once again I'd say that allies are the real issue. The main reason IKs are able to use their Stratagems so many times is because they can take cheap IG Battalions/Brigades to give them a ton of extra CP, along with CP regeneration.

If allies couldn't generate CP or if it was limited to the faction that generated it, then Knights would be far more limited in the stratagems they could use.

yeah but with max 5 CP a game, and knights CP going up, along with CA points going up on a couple Knights and hopefully Guardsman to 5ppm, the list that is the most popular right now (6x10 IG with HQ's, 3x3 Heavy Mortars, 3 BA characters, Castellan knight) would be 200pts more than it currently is.

When you look at it all like that, -200pts, +more cost to CP, -CP farm. If you had to use +3 more CP a turn while only getting 1 back, after 3 turns that 6 CP that are gone just from the 2-3 strats you use on the Knight every turn, not counting Re-roll strat and other strats like the BA one, you could start with 10 CP and be out completely by turn 3, before that wasnt even possible.

Given all that it will be a game changers.

But Aeldari is going to get a small hit too for sure, mostly DE, Grots, Talos, Ravagers, Dis cannon are all a possibility.

After a try, I think Vect is no more needed. The nerf bait hit it hard in two different ways.
It still good at 4 CP, but the nerf to the CP recover engine is the hardest one for it.
Before, you had to roll something like 4-5(6) dice for any uses of Vect. That was nearly a 1CP refound granted, so AoV were more like 2CPs than 3.

Now, it is 4CP with no CP regen (or almost 1 for round) which is an HUGE nerf. 4CPs are a lot and you have so many good stratagems to use with our Codex (let say you play some Flesh dudes: 1 CP for recovering wounds, 2 for disengage and charge, 2 for reroll to wound and they are 5CPs already. Sometimes you would enjoy to cast them again next turn, so....you got it).

I played a FlayedSkull+Prophets list last time and I definitely haven't missed Vect so much. Plus, denying coversaves is just great right now.

Yeah I think I will left Vect at home for now.