Lhamaean and transports

Well, fluffwise, archons often ride with squads of incubi as bodyguards, but they're still elites.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'fulfill a battlefield role because of their special rule'. There is no 'elite unit' special rule. They're noted as elites due to the icon in the top corner of the datasheet. If a mission gives additional VP for killing an elite unit, and your opponent kills your lhamean, then they get that VP.

krayd wrote:

Well, fluffwise, archons often ride with squads of incubi as bodyguards, but they're still elites.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'fulfill a battlefield role because of their special rule'. There is no 'elite unit' special rule. They're noted as elites due to the icon in the top corner of the datasheet. If a mission gives additional VP for killing an elite unit, and your opponent kills your lhamean, then they get that VP.

Yep, they still have a battle field role (AKA the symbol), they just dont count for taking up a slot, they are still part of the detachment, they are still a unit, they still have a battle field role.

Silverglade wrote:

All this said, have you really ever run into a scenario when you run out of slots in which to get venoms?

The fact that each of my ravagers means I can take one, as well as my HQ's means that if I just take a bare bones, 3 kabalite warrior squads, 3 ravagers and 2 archons, I can take 8 venoms.    I would think you'd run out of points before you'd run out of slots

Not necessarily; it can come up.

For instance, say you run a Black Heart Spearhead and want more than 4 Black Heart Venoms to accompany other units - Wyches or Obsidian Rose Kabalites in other detachment(s) - bring in a few Lhameans, and now you can bring in more Venoms.

The person who won AU masters recently brought a Black Heart detachment in his list with 2 Archons, 3x5 Kabalites, 3 Ravagers, and even then still opted for a pair of Lhameans to unlock more Venoms - 10 in total from that detachment alone - to ferry his Cursed Blade Wyches about.

The trade off must be valuable for someone to win with it at a high level.

hydranixx wrote:

The trade off must be valuable for someone to win with it at a high level.

Well, you're paying 30 points to increase the survivability of all your Venoms by a sixth and make it considerably less likely that they can be one-shot by D6 damage weaponry, as well as making it less likely that your Archons die in a transport-related accident.

That's barely even a trade off.

Burnage wrote:

hydranixx wrote:

The trade off must be valuable for someone to win with it at a high level.

Well, you're paying 30 points to increase the survivability of all your Venoms by a sixth and make it considerably less likely that they can be one-shot by D6 damage weaponry, as well as making it less likely that your Archons die in a transport-related accident.

That's barely even a trade off.

I'm pleased you agree.