September Rules Update...

is that there is no rules update.

According to the text, it says that the individual FAQs are all updated, but, as of right now, I'm not seeing anything new in the FAQ menus.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/27/warhammer-40000-september-updategw-homepage-post-4fw-homepage-post-3/

Check again? Looks like all the 40k codex entries are updated with today's date.

Change the sorting the faqs to A-Z instead of most recent, that usually fixes the issue and shows the new updated faqs.

Not a lot of changes regardless, couple things clearing up some marine interactions but nothing to get excited about. I'd expect Chapter Approved in December to have the substantial updates.

do you think our fliers will get nerfed?

Why would they be, Drukhari are certainly still a solid army, but not overpowered. Especially compared to normal eldar, our fliers are not ridiculously strong.

Honestly I think because there are still not that many dark eldar players, GW doesn't give us that much focus in updates. I'm trying to think of pts changes since our codex dropped, and I don't think anything has changed at all, though I could be wrong.

AzraeI wrote:

do you think our fliers will get nerfed?

It would make more sense to nerf the Alaitoc craftworld rule. The -2 to hit (-3 with lightning fast reflexes) is really the only reason that anyone complains about flyer spam.

Exactly it's that stacking that gets ridiculous. Our fliers get to -2 max, and that's after spending 2cp, not what bothers players compared to Alaitoc fliers getting -2 often.

Aeldari flier spam as a whole is almost certainly getting nerfed, but changes to Alaitoc and caps on the total number of fliers that you can take are likely to be the alterations that we see as opposed to nerfs on specific units.

If they nerf the Alaitoc rule, I doubt that a cap on the number of fliers is necessary. CW fliers are T6 models with no invul save. Without a -2 to hit, they're not particularly resilient.

Very little happened at all. September Update updated nothing, and Codex changes basically brought other Codexes in line with the new Space Marine one.
Meaning all Demolisher Cannons are now Heavy d6 for example, and all Drop Pods have the new rules.

Drukhari: No Changes.
Harlequins: Bi changes.
Craftworlds: Wave Serprent's shield clarified as being usef against each attack, Alaitoc ability works on model by model basis when shooting them.
Ynnari: Ynnead's Net changed to YOUR Charge (from THE Charge). Ynnari Hemlocks do generate powers from Revenant Discipline, but Wraithseers do not.


Rulebook:

• "Can" or "May" in a rule means you don't have to. Bit obvious.
  
• Dedicated Transports only for slots tsalken up. Units which don't use slots (like Court Of the Archon) DON'T allow Dedicated Transports!!!
  
• Index units can not have Codex equipment.
  
• Multiple reroll abilities can be used to reroll multiple dice, but each die only once.
  
• Stratagems work across Codexes, with the exception of codexes which say differently (Daemons and Tyranids).
  
• If an attack does normal and mortal wounds, do normal first, THEN allocate mortals.
  
• If effected by an ability which says roll 3d6 for morale and disczard highest or lowest - if effected by BOTH, you do BOTH, rolling 3d6 and discarding both highest AND lowest (resulting in only 1d6!)/

Squidmaster wrote:

[*]Dedicated Transports only for slots tsalken up. Units which don't use slots (like Court Of the Archon) DON'T allow Dedicated Transports!!!

Man, GW is determined not to sell those Court models.

Squidmaster wrote:

Very little happened at all. September Update updated nothing, and Codex changes basically brought other Codexes in line with the new Space Marine one.
Meaning all Demolisher Cannons are now Heavy d6 for example, and all Drop Pods have the new rules.

Drukhari: No Changes.
Harlequins: Bi changes.
Craftworlds: Wave Serprent's shield clarified as being usef against each attack, Alaitoc ability works on model by model basis when shooting them.
Ynnari: Ynnead's Net changed to YOUR Charge (from THE Charge). Ynnari Hemlocks do generate powers from Revenant Discipline, but Wraithseers do not.


Rulebook:

• "Can" or "May" in a rule means you don't have to. Bit obvious.
  
• Dedicated Transports only for slots tsalken up. Units which don't use slots (like Court Of the Archon) DON'T allow Dedicated Transports!!!
  
• Index units can not have Codex equipment.
  
• Multiple reroll abilities can be used to reroll multiple dice, but each die only once.
  
• Stratagems work across Codexes, with the exception of codexes which say differently (Daemons and Tyranids).
  
• If an attack does normal and mortal wounds, do normal first, THEN allocate mortals.
  
• If effected by an ability which says roll 3d6 for morale and disczard highest or lowest - if effected by BOTH, you do BOTH, rolling 3d6 and discarding both highest AND lowest (resulting in only 1d6!)/
  

Everyone knew the Wraithseer didnt get the powers, and that Ynnari change literally changed the one good way to play them, cool i can charge on your turn for CP, b.c IF i dont play Ynnari all bikes can already charge you across the board, it was only Ynnari that couldnt, and Quins still can Advance and charge in Ynnari, it was basically "You lost Quickening and DE lost run and charge? ok here is this cool thing" They just dont want Ynnari to work at all right now

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Squidmaster wrote:

[*]Dedicated Transports only for slots tsalken up. Units which don't use slots (like Court Of the Archon) DON'T allow Dedicated Transports!!!

[*]

Man, GW is determined not to sell those Court models.

Its not like anyone buys them anyways.

Sorry, what's the significance of the Ynnari change?

The Court needs to be a unit again, like it was: pick 0-9 models, they form the unit
and I'm sure our fliers will get a nerf or points increase because it's us

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Sorry, what's the significance of the Ynnari change?

The old wording allowed bikes to charge during the opponent's turn. It almost certainly wasn't intentional, hence the FAQ clarifying it.

Burnage wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Sorry, what's the significance of the Ynnari change?

The old wording allowed bikes to charge during the opponent's turn. It almost certainly wasn't intentional, hence the FAQ clarifying it.

Ah, I see.

Well, I did at least learn something from the FAQ, units don't have to fight in the fight phase. They can just not.

Sarcron wrote:

Well, I did at least learn something from the FAQ, units don't have to fight in the fight phase. They can just not.

What wait what?!?!?!? that was faqed already saying they HAD TO, where is this in the new faqs?

amishprn86 wrote:

Sarcron wrote:

Well, I did at least learn something from the FAQ, units don't have to fight in the fight phase. They can just not.

What wait what?!?!?!? that was faqed already saying they HAD TO, where is this in the new faqs?

I second that question.
That would make wrapping stupidly easy and be a massive change. Where have you seen it?

Koldan wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Sarcron wrote:

Well, I did at least learn something from the FAQ, units don't have to fight in the fight phase. They can just not.

What wait what?!?!?!? that was faqed already saying they HAD TO, where is this in the new faqs?

I second that question.
That would make wrapping stupidly easy and be a massive change. Where have you seen it?

how does this make wrapping easier?

AzraeI wrote:

Koldan wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Sarcron wrote:

Well, I did at least learn something from the FAQ, units don't have to fight in the fight phase. They can just not.

What wait what?!?!?!? that was faqed already saying they HAD TO, where is this in the new faqs?

I second that question.
That would make wrapping stupidly easy and be a massive change. Where have you seen it?

how does this make wrapping easier?

If you have to attack, then there's always a risk that you're going to kill the models you want to wrap. If you don't have to attack then it drastically cuts down on the positioning required to succeed in most cases.

Looking at the core rules and new FAQ, this is the pertinent part from the FAQ:

Page 6 BRB FAQ wrote:

Q: If a rule says that I can do something (for example, ‘when a Morale test is taken for this unit, you can re-roll the dice’), does that mean I have to do that thing, or is it optional?

A: If a rule says you can do something, it is entirely up to you to decide if you want to do that thing. For example, if a rule states ‘when resolving an attack made with this weapon, you can re-roll the hit roll’, that is permitting the player to do that thing. Compare this to ‘when resolving an attack made with this weapon, re-roll a hit roll of 1’ – this is an instruction to the player that is not optional.

This would seem to connect to the core rules that state:

Page 8 Core Rules wrote:

Any unit that charged or has models within 1" of an enemy unit can be chosen to fight in the Fight phase.

Holy crap, huge rule change! Buuuut I think this has been preemptively clarified in an earlier version of the BRB FAQ:

Page 4 BRB FAQ wrote:

Q: If any of your units are eligible to fight in the Fight phase, can you choose for them not to fight this turn? Also, if any of your units charged in the Charge phase, do they have to fight first in the Fight phase, or can you choose for them to wait until later in the phase?

A: All eligible units must fight in the Fight phase; they cannot ‘pass’ and wait for another phase. Additionally, a unit must fight when it is its time to do so; it cannot ‘hold’ in order to fight later in the phase. So if a unit charged in the preceding Charge phase, it must fight before any non-charging models in the Fight phase (barring any related abilities).

In other news, GW needs to sort out their frak ruleset because this is getting horrendously convoluted.

Burnage wrote:

AzraeI wrote:

Koldan wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Sarcron wrote:

Well, I did at least learn something from the FAQ, units don't have to fight in the fight phase. They can just not.

What wait what?!?!?!? that was faqed already saying they HAD TO, where is this in the new faqs?

I second that question.
That would make wrapping stupidly easy and be a massive change. Where have you seen it?

how does this make wrapping easier?

If you have to attack, then there's always a risk that you're going to kill the models you want to wrap. If you don't have to attack then it drastically cuts down on the positioning required to succeed in most cases.

Looking at the core rules and new FAQ, this is the pertinent part from the FAQ:

Page 6 BRB FAQ wrote:

Q: If a rule says that I can do something (for example, ‘when a Morale test is taken for this unit, you can re-roll the dice’), does that mean I have to do that thing, or is it optional?

A: If a rule says you can do something, it is entirely up to you to decide if you want to do that thing. For example, if a rule states ‘when resolving an attack made with this weapon, you can re-roll the hit roll’, that is permitting the player to do that thing. Compare this to ‘when resolving an attack made with this weapon, re-roll a hit roll of 1’ – this is an instruction to the player that is not optional.

This would seem to connect to the core rules that state:

Page 8 Core Rules wrote:

Any unit that charged or has models within 1" of an enemy unit can be chosen to fight in the Fight phase.

Holy crap, huge rule change! Buuuut I think this has been preemptively clarified in an earlier version of the BRB FAQ:

Page 4 BRB FAQ wrote:

Q: If any of your units are eligible to fight in the Fight phase, can you choose for them not to fight this turn? Also, if any of your units charged in the Charge phase, do they have to fight first in the Fight phase, or can you choose for them to wait until later in the phase?

A: All eligible units must fight in the Fight phase; they cannot ‘pass’ and wait for another phase. Additionally, a unit must fight when it is its time to do so; it cannot ‘hold’ in order to fight later in the phase. So if a unit charged in the preceding Charge phase, it must fight before any non-charging models in the Fight phase (barring any related abilities).

In other news, GW needs to sort out their frak ruleset because this is getting horrendously convoluted.

Yeah.. or just rewrite the full rules and release the BRB, BUT ! jfwghfwgwgwg they wont now b.c they are releasing a mini BRB, so we have another ear at least with these crap 120 page faq rules set.

ah ok yeah that totally slipped my mind, thanks for the clarification

it doesn't matter. Newer rules bypass older rules. The "Can" is clarified in a newer version. What they said about it earlier is irrelevant.

dumpeal wrote:

it doesn't matter. Newer rules bypass older rules. The "Can" is clarified in a newer version. What they said about it earlier is irrelevant.

Except both clarifications still exist in the current version of the FAQ. If you can do something, you don't have to do it, but you do have to fight with eligible units in the fight phase.