Will AdMech steal the show from us?

Might even be worth it, to think about the treacherous deceiver WL-Trait. Just hopp right into the biggest Orkmob.

Or with a custom cult for Ld-bombing.

Last weekend I had a 5 man unit of wyches kill 3 Reavers by making a whack of 6+ saves. I nearly fell over XD

But honestly I cant get rid of CoS. Those strats are JUST TOO GOOD! Every game I use the "run thru models" strat, and its SO HANDY being able to spend 2CP to either re-roll all wounds or just straight up fight again.

Thinking of transitioning over to a RSR, and will just spend the 2CP to bring Draz in a CoS Aux.

How are you guys getting around lacking Ignore OW and not being able to run thru models?

fisheyes wrote:

How are you guys getting around lacking Ignore OW ?

We just charge the raider first THEN the wyches

Well, from what I read here at goonhammer, they really are on a roll.
AdMech is in every top3, top5 and top10 multiple times. The question is: Is AdMech easier to play than Drukhari?

Zenotaph wrote:

Well, from what I read here at goonhammer, they really are on a roll.
AdMech is in every top3, top5 and top10 multiple times. The question is: Is AdMech easier to play than Drukhari?

I don't think that they are easier to play than Drukhari.

However, AdMech have a few things that are pretty broken.

Massed Ballistarii are probably the best anti-tank unit in the game.
The Enriched Rounds strat is disgustingly powerful, particularly when used on a unit of 20 vanguard (especially when said unit of vanguard is getting character buffs).

Maybe I should have stated it another way. I refered to old computer game cheat codes.
They were implemented by the programmers, but only used by those, who either couldnt win normally,
or just did not want to.

And yes, its not for me to decide, what cheating is. I absolutely am with you on that.
But from my personal point of view, Tricks like pre nerf DT Liquifier and Razorbus were cheating.

I hope, I could clarify that for you. I just wrote from my very own personal sense of fairness.
All in all, no harm done. But you were right, my views arent that of all, maybe not even many.

@zenotaph i gotta say, even if i will not call that ''cheating'', that i approve your point of view.
I know it's not cheating, but it's just common sense: when you see a rules that you know makes no senses and that it's a mistake that slipped in, but, because you're only argument is: well, it is written so......(or in some case, NOT written), it sadden me when you know that every people playing this game do have a brain and some analysis skills but will go down the rabbit hole anyway.

its as if in the driving rules, if it was'nt written that you have to stop when a pedestrian cross the street, you would pass over them and just say to the police man: show me where it is written that i CAN'T do that!!

I know my example is extreme, and i'm fully aware that you have to draw the line somewhere, and usually this line is what is written in the rules as it is, but i do get what Zenotaph tried to highlight with his argument.

And again, playing competitive and playing pretzel and beer games, you do not have the same mindset.

Choose your mindset?

So... Admech nerfs tomorrow, going to be interesting how they handle it after how they "fixed" DT Liquifiers.

Its so funny that the nerfs always comes in JUST BEFORE the release of a new Codex to allow it to shine brighter
Can'T wait to see what has received the hammer! PRobably just some points increase? because in comparison to DT and Razorbus, i don't think it's that easy to nerf them......

They specifically mentioned large units of skitarii and "interractions" with Ironstriders so at minimum I'd expect scaling CP cost on Stratagems.

Yziel wrote:

They specifically mentioned large units of skitarii and "interractions" with Ironstriders so at minimum I'd expect scaling CP cost on Stratagems.

that would already be a good start since they need to do a lot of pre-game stratagem to fully have their bonus

Zenotaph wrote:

Well, from what I read here at goonhammer, they really are on a roll.
AdMech is in every top3, top5 and top10 multiple times. The question is: Is AdMech easier to play than Drukhari?

I do think AdMech are a lot easier to pilot than DE.

The complication comes from getting all the buffs correct (and if they mess up the average opponent wouldent even know).

The main difference (IMHO) comes from the positioning. They are MUCH more forgiving with the positioning. Buffs have infinite range with the data tether, units are durable enough that its really hard to punish being too agressive, firepower has enough range its hard to be too far.

We win and lose around our positioning. You make 2 mistakes in a game (against an oponent of similar skill) and suddenly your down 400 points.

BTW, where are you guys seeing that the AdMech nerf will happen tomorrow?

Metawatch article on Warhammer Community, last paragraph.a

True, but I imagine a point increase would go a long way to balancing the AdMech.

TBH, I still think we are a little too cheap. Our META lists only went up 50 points on average (2.5%). I dont think it would be the end of the world if the most META units in our army went up a few more points.

If those top table DE Tournament lists went up another 100 points I think we would finally be able to buy Hellions at GW again

HAPPY ADMECH NERF DAY everyone!

Lets see how GW handles the Cog Boys!

EDIT:

Just came out. No point increases, at all (from what I see).

-Ironstriders lost Core
-Enriched Rounds CP went up, and now only procs on a 5+ to hit.
-Galvanic Volley now only changes it from Heavy 2 to Heavy 3 (which is pretty big)
-Lucius +1 armour save no longer stacks with light cover

Nowhere near as heavy as our nerf...

Second Edit:

-Galvanic Volley actually not a nerf. Now they shoot 60 times at 30" instead of having to move within 15" of us for 80 shots. Still can move and shoot with BS3, stationary with BS2. Just a side-grade :/

I take back all my comments about DE needing another nerf. We are fine as-is when compared to this.

A buddy in our warhammer group just mentioned, we will now see more flyers in AdMech lists.
Since he is our listbuilding genius, i believe him. And those Pteraxii, or whatever, are really bad news...

If untouched there will definitely be more fliers, they're already crazy strong.

Hmm, does anyone has the PDF for me? The official WH-Com page just hates me.

Which pdf?

Nvm didn't realize it was out

Ironatriders losing their fall back and shoot is pretty good for us since we can get things to tie them up with pretty easy.

Overall looks like a pretty soft touch, big infantry blobs are still great but a bit less oppressive. We'll see if it's enough.