Take a walk on the webway (learning to use DE properly)

Hi there,

First batrep, since I had a tourney last weekend and felt I should contribute with something to the forum

My list (1800 points this time):

Haem+WWP+liqui
5 wracks + liqui
Raider

Haem+WWP+liqui
4 grotesques + liqui
Raider

1 x 5 incubi

1 x 3 trueborn, 2 blasters 1 SC

2 x 15 wyches, nades, Net, Heka, Ago

2 x 5 warrior, 1 blaster

2 x 6 jetbikes, double lance

1 x Talos, flails, TL HL

1 x Cronos, the S3 AP3 pie plate

Game 1, 3 objectives, 30cm from the edge (I just can't remeber the names of the missions... xD)

Vs GK

Cheap inqui

2 x psyflemen

2 x 10 knights, double psi, hammer

1 x 10 "jumpy" guys (75cm teleport)

1 x NDK with fists

I start and he reserves EVERYTHING.

1 Raider moves 30, drops Haem with wracks and WWP, the other turbo's, basically drawing a V shape, the top 2 spots having a WWP close to an objective, the bottom objective close to my edge.

Rather than going into a turn by turn account, here is what I learned/did:

- Rapid fire is wicked. Yes, I knew... but the combined fire from 3 squads wiped out my first wyches... at least it took 3 of his units!

- The liqui continues to be a wet dream: first shot, AP 2 and AP 3... on a 10 GK bunched up unit... 18 hits, 9 dead marines (go go theoryhammer). Fun fact: the surviving marine captured a point and won the game ¬¬

- The wracks have quite a psicological effect: wow, they're T4, yeah, the tough guys of the DE... and Holy Molly, the grots have T5!!!!! They draw SO MUCH FIRE...I love those 2 units

- Quite underwhelmed about my jetbikes. I have played them in every simgle game I've had with DE... and love them. But on saturday they didn't perform. I guess they went out partying on friday... thanks for telling!

- Talos and cronos are powerful tools... but need to be placed properly. They are SLOW and cannot be used at 60 cm... or 3 turns until the get into CC. Even the shoot Cronos needs to get upclose and personal: I gotta remember that!

Epic of the game:

Heka (ago), net and wych ASSAULT 8 marines! He was like, huh? I'd rather have a 4++ than a 6+ What do you know... after 3 turns, he finally managed to kill them, but only 2 marines survived!!!!! Those 3 bitches saved my backfield for 3 turns!

More later

kool this is the second WWp list iv seen and it looks so random and i dunno jus doesnt fly with me lol

its go hardly any anti tank and only 2 raiders lol


how did ur other games go?

vect wrote:

its go hardly any anti tank and only 2 raiders lol

I actually think he has a decent amount of anti-tank, it's not great and it is pretty locked up in assault tools, but it's still a decently deadly amount.

And lack of transports is half of the point of WWP. you don't need them thanks to popping out of portals and what not

I need more practice games with my current WWP list, but as it stands now I just rolled 24 rending attacks...and got 1 rend . That makes me very sad face lol

ok lets go thru it 1 unit at a time jus so u can see lol

incubi str4 against armour 10 it means theyll glance on 6's after hitting at worst on 4's not a greta start

trueborn with 2 blasters 60% chacne to hit on average 1 will miss then its 50% chacne to glance and average roll is 3/4 resuting in a 1 or 2 result on the damage table

haywire grenades require 6's to hit the average is 3/4 6's out of these ull roll 3 glance 1 miss and 1 pen at best

warriors with 1 blaster 60% chance to hit 50% chance to glance average roll 3/4

jet bikes with heat lances str6 and if ur not in 2d6 pen range then they need 6's to glance

talos/cronos MC with 2d6 pen is probably the best anti tank he has and at 1800 pts its not gd enough especially if ur entering tournaments

with dark eldar u have to work on the averages goin badly rather than looking at the red herrings and goin oMG that look awesome

vect wrote:

haywire grenades require 6's to hit the average is 3/4 6's out of these ull roll 3 glance 1 miss and 1 pen at best

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talos/cronos MC with 2d6 pen is probably the best anti tank he has and at 1800 pts its not gd enough especially if ur entering tournaments

If you consider an MC good anti-mech I'm not sure why you're so down on the grenades, except for Walkers (whom Wyches have other benefits versus) grenades and MCs will hit a vehicle just as accurately, and he has enough Wyches to easily be considered a high level of attacks for a Talos. Plus, with a swarm of Wyches and HWGs you can often manage a wreck instead of an explosion, which can oftimes glib the enemy trying to disembark (especially with IG working the back table edge).

I think you're really underselling what HWGs are capable of, they're possibly our best anti-mech tool, in my opinion, the only negative is you're leaving Wyches out in the open when using them.

i dont consider a MC good i consider it gd for this list as i play venom spam with 12 blasters and 10 dark lances i struggle to deal with mech armies like guard adn grey knights etc

1800pts is alot thats 2 landraiders for most marine armies and loads of tanks for guard

no bcoz even if u glance a tank 2 death next turn ull lose that squad coz a 6+ save isnt really a save at all and if u play DE at tournaments trading unit for unit is not the way to win