Progressing to an 1850 list

Just hoping for some advice about a 1k list I am putting together. Been out of 40k a while and I got back into it with DE recently, have a fair few models to pick from, so I can change this about if it isnt a great set up.

Haemonculus
Liquifier gun

Haemonculus
Liquifier gun


7 Wyches
Hekatrix, Agoniser
Raider, FF

7 Wyches
Hekatrix, Agoniser
Raider, FF

10 Kabalite warriors
Splinter Cannon, Blaster
Raider, FF


Ravager

Ravager

Razorwing


1k on the dot. Immediately, the lack of shields on the heavy support springs to mind as an issue. Is it? Was hoping to use cover for the ravagers and deep strike the razorwing.

Plans is to give the wyches FnP each then keep the Haemonculi in the raiders (if they are not smashed ) to melt some faces on the move. Warriors can drag down the tougher opponents with the poisoned shots whilst the blaster gives them a bit of AT on the go.

11 Dark light weapons and I feel a fair dose of AI, along with 3 troops.

I'm still yet to play with ravagers so i cannot say from experience only from Math Fu and would say i would go with flickr fields i just think for 10pts giving you a 1/3 chance to shrug off anything is awesome.

I also like the nighshields to give you that 6" reduction in range but it depends on what you play against i play alot of guard and chaos which means it doesn't really help me out.

Fields help, alot, that being said its hard to take out points for them in your current list. The only thing I can see is droping the razorwing and using the left over points for fields and more wyches.

Overall its a good list, try it out and see how you like it.

Cheers for the advice. I would be a little sad to drop the razorwing as it is so pretty on the eyes, but I may have to at this stage to make things work.

If I wanted to take it up to 1500 in parts I was thinking of 2 x 250 stages:

Stage one - 2 x 5 man warrior blaster venoms

Stage two - 6 to 9 reavers. I love these models and I want to include them. Working out the best combo seems tricky. I suppose 3 x 3 MSU tank hunters is one way, but what about as a large caltrops equipped screening unit?

With 3 HS in your 1K, if you were going to drop one of them I would consider keeping the RW and dropping one of the Ravagers. You don't save quite as much to spend elsewhere, but both are just as vulnerable while the RW is more flexible and has more firepower.

I think the Nightsheilds are good but it is dependant on what your playing against if you were playing my Blood Angels then my lascannons wouldn't be affected by the shields as long as your planning on shooting me of course.

I think its only good on thing shooting you with a 36" range and less

Ok I tried the list in a few semi-competitive games and it seemed to work fairly well. Maybe FF would be a good investment on those heavies, though!

Just some advice I would like now:

As I consider expanding the list, would it be wise to add 3 man wrack squads in venoms, or is it really much better to take 5 warriors and a blaster? What about 5 man wrack squad with a liquifier in a venom? I have also considered adding 9 with a haemonculus in a raider..basically I want me some wracks!

I have browsed wrack tactics here and the 'wracktika' thread seems to be mainly concerned with WWP builds, so I thought I would ask here in terms of my list.

Thanks.

wracks work in 3 ways imho.

#1- 3 wracks in dual cannon venom: This gets most use as they are basically our "DAVU". for 95 points you get a scoring 12 shot AV 10 vehicle with a 5++. It is by far our cheapest useable scoring unit.

#2- 5 wracks w/ liquifer in dual cannon venom: The great thing about this is that its points = 5 warriors w/ blaster in venom (both come out to 125) This is your basic mobile flamer. Move around, shoot somethings, then drive up and flame it if nessicary. Its a great choice. The problem is you dont see this often as the flamer is seen as AI, and we have AI in spades, where atleast the warrior version gives you a blaster for some light AT duty.

#3- 9 wracks w/ aycothist, liquifer, hamie with power weapon, liquifer in raider: This is the assault version of wracks. Wracks are essencially our version of marines (as their 6+ and FNP come out to the same as a marine save) And this build you have not only 2 flamers, but 27 4+ poison (with re-rolls on T4 and under because of FC) and 3 PW attacks on the charge at I5. Thats not bad at all consider you are killing on average 4.12 marines, and thats not including the two random AP flamers before the assault. (1.98 if saves are allowed and 3 if they arent... assuming you hit 6 with each)

For you I think the #2 would work best, as you already have some great assault units built into the list. But that is just a suggestion. I wouldnt even use wracks in your list seriously, my next focus would be more AT

Right, thats some dandy advice there, thanks!

Taking that into consideration, and in light of an up in coming 1850 tourney, I am considering this :

Haemonculus, Liquifier
Haemonculus, Liquifier

7 wyches,
Hekatrix / agoniser
Raider, FF
Grisly trophies
Haywire grenades x 2


10 warriors,
Splinter cannon,
Raider, FF


5 wracks,
Liquifier,
Venom, extra cannon X 2


4 blasterborn,
Venom, extra cannon X 3

Ravager,
FF
NS

Ravager,
FF
NS

Razorwing,
FF, Dark lances


It comes to 1842, so I have room for 1 small upgrade somewhere. Sails, a prow, a venom blade.

All mech,
5 troops, wyches have FnP,
4 flamers, 11 splinter cannon
12 blasters, 9 dark lances + haywire grenades