1250 against necrons

Facing off against Necrons for the first time, at 1250pts. This list is 1251, my opponent told me to use the list rather than adjust a list for one point. So Archons, have at it...what do you think of this list?

HQ
Archon (130pts)
Combat Drugs (Combat Drugs), Ghostplate Armour, Haywire Grenades, Power Weapon, Shadowfield

Haemonculus (85pts)
Dark Gate, Liquifier Gun

5x Incubi (200pts)
Venom
Flickerfield, Nightshield, Splinter Cannon

Kabalite Warriors (135pts)
Venom
Flickerfield, Nightshield, Splinter Cannon
5x Warriors
Blaster

Kabalite Warriors (69pts)
6x Warriors
Blaster

Kabalite Warriors (69pts)
6x Warriors
Blaster

Wracks (Troops) (100pts)
Liquifier Gun, 9x Wracks

Wyches (213pts)
Razorflails
Raider
Dark Lance, Enhanced Aethersails, Flickerfield, Nightshield, Splinter Racks
9x Wyches
9x Haywire grenades

Heavy Support (250pts)
Ravager (125pts)
Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Nightshield

Ravager (125pts)
Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Nightshield

Lose the Dark Gate, GPA and Splinter racks on the wych raider both are wasted points

walking warriors with an 18" gun are just not going to do anything at all.

i would look to combine both squads into one in a radier

Or you could have them on a venom, you would have to drop one squad to do it.

My thinking in taking the splinter racks on the raider was to send the raider in, drop off the wyches, then use the sails to get back and pick up a unit of warriors.

I wasn't sure about the Dark Gate...not a fan of one shot, but thought it might be fun to try and pull off.

Wouldn't GPA be my only real defense should I roll a 1 and lose the shadow field....or am I thinking about that all wrong?

you roll a 1 and lose the field he is gunna die anyway., dont waste points on a mediocre backup plan.

i promise you that your raider will not live long enough to conduct that plan.

So here's a thought....I made the mentioned changes, giving me 45pts back...I use those points for three Mandrakes (yeah, I know they're not popular...but I have the models) and use their infiltrate to place them deep behind enemy lines to disrupt my opponents plans by giving him something unexpected to deal with. Madness?

sounds like a free KP to me.

can you post the list after changes have been made. lot easier to help that way

I've not faced Necrons before, I know I'll be going up against a barge of some sort and a monolithburger. My thinking to to deploy fairly aggressively with my wyches and Incubi units....rushing them into CC while I support from partly covered locations. I've heard that my killing them doesn't really matter since they rebuild themselves...so I'm not expecting to do well....unless I can camp on some objectives while I tie up their units elsewhere.


List as requested:

HQ
Archon
Haywire Grenades, Power Weapon, Shadowfield

Haemonculus
Liquifier Gun

5x Incubi
Venom
Flickerfield, Nightshield, Splinter Cannon

3x Mandrakes

Venom
Flickerfield, Nightshield, Splinter Cannon
5x Warriors
Blaster

6x Warriors
Blaster

6x Warriors
Blaster

Wracks (Troops)
Liquifier Gun, 9x Wracks

9x Wyches
Razorflails
Raider
Dark Lance, Enhanced Aethersails, Flickerfield, Nightshield
9x Haywire grenades

Heavy Support
Ravager
Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Nightshield
Ravager
Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Nightshield


I know mandrakes aren't very popular...though I am limited in what I have available to play with. Another three warriors, a wrack, and a wych really.

Edit...I checked the points and those are actually 4 Mandrakes, not three.

Edit: I've made a few changes, dropped Night Shields from the Raider and Venoms - they're moving close anyway, figure it won't really be needed.

I combined the Warriors into a single unit of 10 and placed them in a Raider with Splinter Racks. Then split up my Wyches and gave one of them a Venom (I know I need more transports....in time I suppose)

I may be able to do a trade for another 16 Wyches, which would replace the Mandrakes.

Updated list:

Archon (120pts)
Combat Drugs (Combat Drugs), Haywire Grenades, Power Weapon, Shadowfield

Haemonculus (60pts)
Liquifier Gun

5x Incubi (175pts)
Venom
Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon

5x Mandrakes (75pts)

10x Kabalite Warriors (195pts)
Raider
Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Splinter Racks
Blaster, Splinter Cannon

6x Kabalite Warriors (69pts)
Blaster

Wracks (Troops) (100pts)
Liquifier Gun

5x Wyches (70pts)
Razorflails
5x Haywire grenades

5x Wyches (135pts)
Razorflails
Venom
Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon
5x Haywire grenades

Ravager (125pts)

Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Nightshield
Ravager (125pts)
Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Nightshield

Edit: I've not played with Wyches before (Wracks for assault and objective holding) so I'm not sure what would work best...smaller units to spread out the targets of my opponent, or a larger unit to last longer.

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StaticVortex wrote:

Updated list:

Archon Combat Drugs, Haywire Grenades, Power Weapon, Shadowfield
Haemonculus Liquifier Gun

5x Incubi Venom Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon
5x Mandrakes

10x Kabalite Warriors Raider (Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Splinter Racks) Blaster, Splinter Cannon
6x Kabalite Warriors Blaster
9 Wracks Liquifier Gun
5x Wyches Razorflails Haywire grenades
5x Wyches Venom (FF Splinter Cannon) Haywire grenades

Ravager (Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Nightshield(
Ravager (Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Nightshield)

Where do you put your Archon in? Where your Haem?

You are fighting Necrons w/ T4 or T5. Perhaps think of getting your Archon an Agonizer so you wound on a 4+ instead of a 5+

The bold units - are they all running? Against Necs, not many of those will even reach the enemy lines.

Why not switch the Archon to a Succubus w/ agonizer, stick her with 9 wyches (incl. hekagonizer) in the raider w/ aether sails and try to assault in Turn 2 (just make sure the assaulted unit has no Lord with those pesky mindblurring scarabs in it).

Kesharq wrote:

StaticVortex wrote:

Updated list:

Archon Combat Drugs, Haywire Grenades, Power Weapon, Shadowfield
Haemonculus Liquifier Gun

5x Incubi Venom Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon
5x Mandrakes

10x Kabalite Warriors Raider (Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Splinter Racks) Blaster, Splinter Cannon
6x Kabalite Warriors Blaster
9 Wracks Liquifier Gun
5x Wyches Razorflails Haywire grenades
5x Wyches Venom (FF Splinter Cannon) Haywire grenades

Ravager (Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Nightshield(
Ravager (Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Nightshield)

Where do you put your Archon in? Where your Haem?

You are fighting Necrons w/ T4 or T5. Perhaps think of getting your Archon an Agonizer so you wound on a 4+ instead of a 5+

The bold units - are they all running? Against Necs, not many of those will even reach the enemy lines.

Why not switch the Archon to a Succubus w/ agonizer, stick her with 9 wyches (incl. hekagonizer) in the raider w/ aether sails and try to assault in Turn 2 (just make sure the assaulted unit has no Lord with those pesky mindblurring scarabs in it).

I keep revising what I'm doing...currently I have 8 wyches riding in raider with archon and heamy with sails to get in close and in cover if possible and drop off wyches with archon, taking the pain token with them.
I'll grab the agonizer.

Looks like I have another 16 wyches to use. But i only have two venoms and one raider (unless I use a ravager as one) so will be building a new list tonight.

Edit: After much debate and several modifications, below is the list that I plan on taking for tonight. Here's the plan: The Archon and Haemonculus will ride in the Raider with the Wyches. The Archon will disembark with the Wyches and they will take the pain token ((or two if fortune smiles upon the combat drugs)) The Raider and Venom carrying Incubi will both move in quick to engage units. The second Venom holding 5 Wyches will attempt to flank...something. The Mandrakes will infiltrate behind cover 12-18 away from a unit ((I want to see how they do....and provide a target)) The Warriors and Wracks to be used for objectives--if my Raider lives past my initial disembark....I'll either fly around liquifying things with Haemonculus, or pull it back to pick up the Wracks to respond to threats or move to challenge objectives. Ravagers to sit back and pop tanks for the Wyches and Incubi.

I'll report on how bad everything did LOL.


HQ
Archon
Agoniser, Combat Drugs (Combat Drugs), Haywire Grenades, Shadowfield

Haemonculus
Liquifier Gun

Elites
Incubi
5x Incubi
Venom
Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon

5x Mandrakes

Troops
10x Kabalite Warriors
Blaster, Splinter Cannon, 8x Splinter Rifle

10x Wracks
2x Liquifier Gun

8x Wyches
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Raider
Dark Lance, Enhanced Aethersails, Flickerfield
8x Haywire grenades

5x Wyches
Venom
Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon
5x Haywire grenades

Heavy Support
Ravager
Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Nightshield
Ravager
Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Nightshield

Edit:So...I've faced the Necrons. Apocalypse deployment, Pillage mission with 5 objectives. I won the roll to go first and gambled by letting him deploy and setup first. I then attempted to seize and failed.

Turn one:
Annihiliation Barge takes aim at Ravager, penetrating hit saved by FlickerField, Necron Lord zaps Raider and it explodes taking two Wyches and three Warriors with it ((warriors were within 5")
Immortals moved and shot Mandrakes, two died.

Wyches from Raider footslog to objective and camp out. Wyches in venom move up and disembark near objective held by Flayed One's (warriors Splinter Cannon, Venom, and Wyches all shoot at these guys - then Wyches Assualt for the kill and Pain Token) Objective claimed.
Incubi in Venom move to another objective held by Lychguard. One Incubi was mindshackled and forced to attack his own unit. All Incubi dead, one Lychguard dies (and gets back up).
Three remaining Mandrakes assault Immortals, 5 die - 2 Mandrakes die...one left locked in combat to be killed next turn.
Wracks get comfy on objective

Turn 2:
Three Necron Wraiths pull up on 5 Wyches from venom and attempt to beat them off the objective - they failed and stayed locked in combat.
6 Necron Warriors fell to Splinter Cannon fire, and 2 Lychguards. Lychguards wrecked a Venom.

Called game at end of turn 2 because he had to leave - I held the most objective points and so won. Had the game drawn out, I suspect he would have won due to the Necrons getting back up. Though, they did not have to face the liquifier guns and both my Ravagers were operational.

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