A simple Flickerfield change!

What if flicker-fields were changed to give the stealth USR.

A moving skimmer would have a 4+ cover save.
A skimmer moving flat our would have a 3+ cover save.
Ruins would give you a 3+ cover save.
Flyers performing evasive manoeuvres would have a 4+ save.

What does this do? It makes the flicker-field an interesting choice on all transports, and brings it back in line on our flyers (the 5+ invulnerable being nice but not intentional, I would see it getting changed when the codex is updated).

Thoughts?

and if they are shot by a s10 ignoring cover weapon, then they are toast. 5up invul is good

its not a bad idea, but I still like my 5+ invul. It works in close combat, as well as being able to get it even if I go second and havent moved my transports. Also the ability for flyers to get the dodge save without the penaltiy is well worth the 10 pts imho.

Would I use them if they were stealth, yes, ofc. Do I still use them now? Ofc...

I know it's good. I just don't see them keeping it that way, for long. So I was just experimenting with stuff they might change it to (I might be overestimating GW here).

Ok here is another question: what if it gave the vehicle shrouding (+2 cover saves). Would you consider that broken?

Mushkilla wrote:

Ok here is another question: what if it gave the vehicle shrouding (+2 cover saves). Would you consider that broken?

ignore cover weapons and/or tau markerlights.out in the open, no cover from 2 lights, that is 2 pathfinders hitting, and with aporx 3 hitting per turn, no advantage., ignoring cover flamers? Heavy flamers? s10 lb imperial? no please. 5up invul, except vs vindicar assassin? yes!

I do think that shrouding would be alittle too far. Considering that means just moving your raiders would give them a 3+ save at all times. 66% chance to ignore all damage is very powerful indeed for only 10 points... maybe 15??? but not 10

Flickerfields are among the most expensive upgrades that we can get... so, why not:

5+ inv save...

AND stealth IF the vehicle has moved (as the vehicle has changed from a blur that shifts in and out of reality to a MOVING blur that shifts in and out of reality, making it more difficult to shoot at).

As it stands, I think that FF's are worth about half the cost that they are now (whereas they were properly priced in 5th edition). Allowing it to provide a benefit in all situations would make it worth its price again.

If you want to buff flickerfields, they need to stay invul. The best way to do this is for them to function as a way to turn any cover save the vehicle has into an invul save. So...

25% behind area terrain or other units? 5++.
Moving out in the open? 5++.
Moving flat out? 4++.
Night fighting? Probably 4++ or 3++, depending on the range and cover.
Hull down behind a building? 3++.
Caught immobile out in the open? No cover = no invul.

Sounds like a fun upgrade to me.