2x 1500pt Fun and hopfully competitive list

Hi fellow DE Gamers.

I'm about to start my DE Army and got my hands on 2 x battle chests ^^ and I have Made 2 list i think looks cool and will be fun to play, but I'm not sure if they will make me win games . I have no problem losing but I like to win mostly haha.
I wont run tournaments but I do face different armys in my group (Orks, Eldar, Blood Angels, Necron, Tau, Imperial guards).

So here goes

Hq

Haemonculus
- Venom blade, Liquifier gun

Troops

Wyches 9x (hq goes in here)
-Hydra Gauntlet, Hekatrix,Venom blade, Raider, Night Shield

Kabalit Warriors 10x
-Sybarite, Raider, Night Shield

Kabalit Warriors 10x
-Sybarite

Elites

True Born 3x
-3 Blaster, Venom, Night Shield

True Born 3x
-3 Blaster, Venom, Night Shield

Mandreaks 10x
NightFiend

Fast Attack

Raaver 6x
2 Heat lance

Heavy suport.

Ravager
-Night Shield

Ravager
-Night Shield

Razorwing Jetfighter// Voidraven bomber
-Night Shield

1503p

2nd

Hq

Archon
-Agoniser, Shadow Field


Troops

Kabalit Warriors 10x
-Blaster, Raider, Night Shield


Kabalit Warriors 10x
-Blaster, Raider, Night Shield

Elites

True Born 3x
-3 Blaster, Venom, Night Shield

True Born 3x
-3 Blaster, Venom, Night Shield

Incubi 4x hq in here
-Venom , Night shield


Fast Attack

Helions 20x
Helliarch, Agoniser


Heavy suport.

Ravager
-Night Shield

Ravager
-Night Shield

1500p


I might consider Beast master and beasts but don't really know what to pick and how big unit , I like the Talon pain so I might consider that in my list as well

I know Mandrakes SUCKS but i can't stop drooling every time I see them so that's why they are there ^^.

I welcome all criticism.

List 2 looks better. Helions are underrated generally I think but big units like that really perform.

Trade the Archons agoniser (and also drop 15pts elsewhere) for a huskblade. Then he'll be AP2 like the incubi and can do some really scary damage.

Trade the blasters on the kabalites for splinter cannons or don't take them at all, IMO. I think it's a bad idea and wasteful to put an anti-tank weapon in a squad that literally cannot hurt any vehicles. If he shoots at a vehicle you waste the rest of the shots, if they shoot at an infantry squad then he may as well just have a rifle or a cannon. My preference is the cannon.

Besides, 2 blasterborn squads and 2 ravagers is plenty of anti-vehicle.

I disagree that 6 blasters and 6 lances is enough AT. The fact it's in 4 very specific places makes it easy to take out and even in the world of hull points, it's only 4 per turn under ideal ranges... So 1 vehicle taken out... I see 6+ in most games these days...

ftayl5 wrote:

List 2 looks better. Helions are underrated generally I think but big units like that really perform.

Trade the Archons agoniser (and also drop 15pts elsewhere) for a huskblade. Then he'll be AP2 like the incubi and can do some really scary damage.

Trade the blasters on the kabalites for splinter cannons or don't take them at all, IMO. I think it's a bad idea and wasteful to put an anti-tank weapon in a squad that literally cannot hurt any vehicles. If he shoots at a vehicle you waste the rest of the shots, if they shoot at an infantry squad then he may as well just have a rifle or a cannon. My preference is the cannon.

Besides, 2 blasterborn squads and 2 ravagers is plenty of anti-vehicle.

Okey nice will trade of the agoniser for husk blade. The blasters can be useful vs terminators but I will probably test my way forth

Massaen wrote:

I disagree that 6 blasters and 6 lances is enough AT. The fact it's in 4 very specific places makes it easy to take out and even in the world of hull points, it's only 4 per turn under ideal ranges... So 1 vehicle taken out... I see 6+ in most games these days...

well i have a dark lance on raiders for free so im sitting on 14 shot per turn that is anti tank from 6 different vehicle.

Hq

Archon
-husk blade, Shadow Field


Troops

Kabalit Warriors 10x
-Raider, Night Shield


Kabalit Warriors 10x
-Blaster, Raider, Night Shield

Elites

True Born 3x
-3 Blaster, Venom, Night Shield

True Born 3x
-3 Blaster, Venom, Night Shield

Incubi 4x hq in here
-Venom , Night shield


Fast Attack

Helions 20x
Helliarch, Agoniser


Heavy suport.

Ravager
-Night Shield

Ravager
-Night Shield

1500p