new list 1800 pts wyches cult

been reading the codex finally and got a taste for what i want to run. I have bought a ridiculous amount of models over the past few months (prolly too much =)) but here is what i got. I never see lelith in any lists and i dont understand why... she is BEAST!!!


HQ

-LELITH

-BARON


TROOPS

-WYCHES-10 (RAIDER- FLICKER- NIGHT SHIELDS)
- RAZORFLAILS- 2
- HEKATRIX- VB

-WYCHES^^^^ (RAIDER- FLICKER- NIGHT SHIELDS)

-WYCHES^^^^ (RAIDER- FLICKER- NIGHT SHIELDS)

-KABALITE WARRIORS- 5 (VENOM- DUAL SPLINTERCANNON)

-KABALITE WARRIORS- 5 (VENOM- DUAL SPLINTERCANNON

-KABALITE WARRIORS- 5 (VENOM- DUAL SPLINTERCANNON)


FAST ATTACK

-HELLIONS- 10
-HELLIARCH
- STUNCLAW

-REAVERS- 6
-HEATLANCE X 2
- GRAV TALON X 2



HEAVY SUPPORT


- TALOS
- CHAIN FLAILS
- ADDITIONAL CCW
- HAYWIRE BLASTER




Debating on changing the talos to a cronos to help out my wyches. figured i would get more for my points tho this way. should come to just a couple points over 1800, 1806 i believe. Please let me know what you guys think. I am obviously going for a heavy close combat. thanks

The talos seems out of place, how is it or a Chronos going to be able to keep up with the rest of the list.

I'd be lookng for a bigger unit of Hellions o make use of the baron, 10 to my mind does not justify taking him.
Where is Lelith going?

never used any of this before, still just going off of reading the codex so the hellions thing, is for one- i only have 10 models, and i didnt think 10 was too few but it is? and the talos is mostly something to just have something for my opponent to be distracted by. I know it seems out of place, i was thinking that too, but im an previous eldar player and i was thinking i was going to use him like i used my avatar. i rarely got any kills with my avatar it was just a good "hey look at me" piece

Edit: and lelith will be with one of the wych squads. i wrote 10 10 10, but i meant 9 10 10 my bad

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I would say take off flicker fields and just move the raiders to get that jink save each turn.

Also Hellions work best at about 15. It makes a good combined threat of shooting and earning pain tokens, then getting furious charge and FNP, becoming a CC threat. It works great to hide them in cover (making use of the barons reroll dangerous terrain thin) and shoot those 30 poison shots at 18".

I see what you mean for the Talos, but I think that having something that adds to your list rather than being a distraction will work better. If you have say, a Ravager, ppl will naturally shoot at it and it actually is giving you some offensive power back too (3x dissies or DL? always useful). Also if ppl even remotely know how slow that Talos is they wont shoot it until dead last. Of course even if they don't they will learn that it isnt really a threat until quite a bit of time.

i agree. I have to get used to being aggressive. So used to playing Eldar that its my instinct to try and draw attention away from the other stuff. Well i am goin got have to shave some points off, what do yall suggest i get rid of to make up for the extra 5 hellions ill be bringing. I took off the talos and put the ravager in with night shields. witth the extra 5 hellions that brings it up to 1831. need it to be 1800, any advise?

Edit: oh and i took all the flickers off the raiders

Edit2: sorry its 1821 not 1831. so i need to get rid of 21 points. sorry for the excessive posts

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drop the stunclaw, its useless piece of wargear

Drop the grav talons or the heat lances. Basically you want your reavers doing either 100% bladevaning, or aiming to shoot things with their heat lance, while only bladevaning to get into position. Everytime you arent bladevaning, your wasting the points used for those grav talons. Everytime you arent aiming for a tank, your wasting those points put towards a heat lance. Basically choose one or the other.

Also wyches should really get a Phantasm Grenade Launcher, that stealth is a very big bonus if used correctly.

stealth??? how does it give stealth??? n

I like this list, it's pretty much what I run 'cept for the Reavers. I don't have any of those yet.

Also, just so you know, if you take Baron, the Hellions are Troops choices.

doomseer11b wrote:

stealth??? how does it give stealth??? n

Defensive grenades give the stealth special rule if the unit that has them is being shot from within 8".

I'd consider Haywire Grenades on the non-Lelith Wych squads. Also, like Shadow's Revenge said, Hekatrix + VB + PGL is pretty requisite if you want them to be a CC force to be reckoned with. Having a Hek to accept challenges that Lelith won't survive might be worth your time if you're already investing all those points in her. Sacrifice the Hek to the brutal challenger while Lelith eats the squad.

I LOVE Hellions, and am trying to tune my strategy with them. They're hard to play effectively, but can be great when played right. Plus, they are my favorite models, physically and fluff-wise. I, in games over 1500, take 16 Hellions and the Baron. 17 is one of those magic numbers as far as being forced to take LD tests. As is 21, which is a maxed unit + Baron. That may well be my next move. 21 Hellions and 2 groups of 6 Blaster Reavers seems like an awful lot of fun* to me.



*Fun may or may not coincide with competitive value. Terms and conditions apply.

yeah i would like to make a nice big group, all i have right now is 15 hellions so thats as far as i can go with that. and is the stun claw really worthless? i was planning on hitting and running and hitting and running, so being able to pull a IC out of that group so another group can hit him in overwhelming numbers. please correct my thought if its wrong. which would be a victory point right there. im kinda of a fluff buff... lol so it may be just because im overlooking the actual practical use of it.

also, my ^^^^ meant exact copies of the original squad above it. so im planning on having a hekatrix+VB+PGL on all of them. def will take the haywire into consideration, at least one squad. probelm is i need to get rid of 20 more points then..... can someone give me guidance on razorflails or shardnet and implaers??? i cant decide on what to bring. im leaning on having shardnets cuz its more a survivability issue at this point. i know my initial thought is to always be as killy as possible but i may need to readjust my thoughts, so please advise.

and lastly, is there any good proxy Baron that anyone has found as GW is dropping the ball on getting these new models out?

Also, just so you know, if you take Baron, the Hellions are Troops choices. [/quote]

does this make them scorable units? and thanks for the input!

Leave the Wych weapons alone. Not worth the points, says I. Then use the shardnet as a cape on a Hellion, and boom! Baron!

Yes, Hellions as troops with Baron = scoring.