build me an 1850 coven list

i've been looking at buying some new stuff and converting a few things to run a few things..
give me the best lists you can!

(if possible, since I already have to buy wracks and buy warspears to convert into grotesques, maybe the following can be used?
I've got a pile of warriors with all weapons, same with wyches. i have 5 raiders and 2 venoms. id prefer not to buy more vehicles if i dont need them.)

i have one talos kit to be built
one old metal talos
thinking of buying one more to have extra bits for the grotesques

so the question is how many grotesques? I'm thinking ten since they come in boxes of 5 for the conversions
also, how many wracks?

what else? beasts? how many haemons? urien as hq?

need cool coven ideas for lists. also looking for opinions on whether or not this will get destroyed or if it's viable

here's what I've been toying with...
i'm still figuring out wargear..

Urien - 190 points

running with
4 grotesques
1 abomination
1 liquifier gun
1 scissorhands 195 points
raider 60 points

Haemonculus Ancient.. 80
- webway portal - 35
- liquifier - 10
- venom blade - 5 ---------130 points
running with mandrakes
10 mandrakes ---- 150 points


Haemonculus - 75 points
(assuming 25 in wargear... venom blade, liquifier and 10 points for one other toy)
running with same squad of 4 grotesques
195 points + 60 for raider - 255

5 wracks - 50
liquifier 10
10 for squad leader upgrade and 5 for venomblade
60 points for raider
i ended up at 140 points... 2 squads of these

2 squads of 5 warriors in venoms for 125 points each

2 talos with twin linked liquifiers and lances
1 vanilla razorwing


with any points left over... or after some shuffling im considering the following ---------

1. 5-7 scourges with 2 haywire blasters?
2. beast squad... 4 razerwing swarms, 10 khymarae
3. 1-2 squads of 3 reavers with caltrops


points are close... need some juggling for 100-200 depending on gear/transports.
what works/what doesnt?

as mentioned above, i've got 5 raiders, 2 venoms, i've now ordered 10 grotesques and 10 wracks.
i have 10 of the old mandrake models and probably about 10 of the old scourge models. i want to get the list nailed down. help!!!