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Godreas Hellion
Posts : 46 Join date : 2011-11-30 Location : Bucharest, Romania
| Subject: Ravagers full BS VS flyers? Mon Jan 14 2013, 11:41 | |
| Hey, for quite a while ive seen a lot of talk on the internet and in my community on the following FAQ update
“Aerial Assault: Due to the largely open construction of its decks and the sophisticated targeting matrices used by its crew, a Ravager that moved at cruising speed may fire all of its weapons using its crew’s full Ballistic Skill.”
So this basicly means that RAW, I can shoot full BS at any target (including flyers)
but on the other hand when you think about it RAI, it only stands for the idea of being able to move 12" and having the possibility to fire normally.
I have not found any such discution on the forum (in the past 3 pages of the rules area) so i thought that it might be a idea to bring it up.
Can anyone clarify this please?
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Massaen Klaivex
Posts : 2268 Join date : 2011-07-05 Location : Western Australia
| Subject: Re: Ravagers full BS VS flyers? Mon Jan 14 2013, 11:43 | |
| It has come up and the general consensus was RAI _________________ Objective Secured - Western Australia's Premier 40k Event Organisers and Website OBJECTIVE SECURED
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Godreas Hellion
Posts : 46 Join date : 2011-11-30 Location : Bucharest, Romania
| Subject: Re: Ravagers full BS VS flyers? Mon Jan 14 2013, 11:45 | |
| - Massaen wrote:
- It has come up and the general consensus was RAI
What rules backup the RAI version? | |
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Massaen Klaivex
Posts : 2268 Join date : 2011-07-05 Location : Western Australia
| Subject: Re: Ravagers full BS VS flyers? Mon Jan 14 2013, 11:50 | |
| By the above FAQ, moving anything other than cruising makes you worse at shooting... Make sense? _________________ Objective Secured - Western Australia's Premier 40k Event Organisers and Website OBJECTIVE SECURED
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Godreas Hellion
Posts : 46 Join date : 2011-11-30 Location : Bucharest, Romania
| Subject: Re: Ravagers full BS VS flyers? Mon Jan 14 2013, 12:04 | |
| - Massaen wrote:
- By the above FAQ, moving anything other than cruising makes you worse at shooting... Make sense?
to me it does , lets see if the lads back at the shop agree. Tyvm. | |
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Hess Hellion
Posts : 66 Join date : 2012-11-18 Location : Bodymoore, MURDAHLAND
| Subject: Re: Ravagers full BS VS flyers? Mon Jan 14 2013, 12:19 | |
| You are correct, sort of. You do hit it with a BS4, however you end up shooting snap shots. BRB p. 81 says "Hard to Hit" - unless you have the Skyfire special rule, you will always be doing Snap shots on zooming flyers. And Snap shots are forced to being counted as BS1 for the purpose of the shots. (BRB p. 13). --- The idea is nice but sadly not true _________________ Newly DE player since December.
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Count Adhemar Dark Lord of Granbretan
Posts : 7610 Join date : 2012-04-26 Location : London
| Subject: Re: Ravagers full BS VS flyers? Mon Jan 14 2013, 12:41 | |
| Full debate here.
Consensus is that you can't use Aerial Assault to bypass Hard to Hit _________________ You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. In what world could you possibly beat me? | |
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1++ Hekatrix
Posts : 1036 Join date : 2011-06-27 Location : Sydney
| Subject: Re: Ravagers full BS VS flyers? Mon Jan 14 2013, 12:42 | |
| Yeah, there are 2 very seperate rules going on in regards to Ravagers firing at Flyers that have been outined above.
Incase the guys at the shop need to look it up its a case of Aerial Assault vs Hard to Hit _________________ "I'm alive from this pain!"
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Shadows Revenge Hierarch of Tactica
Posts : 2587 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : Bmore
| Subject: Re: Ravagers full BS VS flyers? Mon Jan 14 2013, 16:32 | |
| also the FAQ put this arguement to rest along time ago. - Quote :
- Q: Can the BS1 of a Snap Shot ever be modified by special rules that
modify the BS of a model’s Shooting attack (such as Tau markerlights, Space Marine Signums or Sergeant Telion’s Voice of Experience)? (p13) A: No. _________________ Status: Usurping Kabal leadership for his Patriarch
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Tiri Rana Sybarite
Posts : 441 Join date : 2011-06-16 Location : Essen, Germany
| Subject: Re: Ravagers full BS VS flyers? Mon Jan 14 2013, 22:25 | |
| - Shadows Revenge wrote:
- also the FAQ put this arguement to rest along time ago.
- Quote :
- Q: Can the BS1 of a Snap Shot ever be modified by special rules that
modify the BS of a model’s Shooting attack (such as Tau markerlights, Space Marine Signums or Sergeant Telion’s Voice of Experience)? (p13) A: No. This ruling doesn't affect Aerial Assault, because it doesn't modify the BS of a models shooting attack, but to the contrary allows it to use it's unmodified BS. If Aerial Assault was affected by this FAQ, there would be two big problems. 1.: Aerial assault would do nothing at all. Moving at cruising speed forces vehicles to fire snap shots with their third and subsequent weapons. If Aerial Assault would not work against snap shots it would not work against those it was intended to negate, either. 2.: Skyfire wouldn't work. Skyfire, as Aerial Assault, allows models to use their full BS, when shooting at flyers. If This was blocked by the FAQ, Skyfire would become useless. Nevertheless I think it should only work against snap shots resulting from having moved at cruising speed, but as it is written it could work against flyers. _________________ I must rule with eye and claw — as the hawk among lesser birds. | |
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Shadows Revenge Hierarch of Tactica
Posts : 2587 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : Bmore
| Subject: Re: Ravagers full BS VS flyers? Tue Jan 15 2013, 14:36 | |
| see to me though Tiri I read it differently. I read it as this
Hard to Hit rule for flyers means you have to snapfire to hit them (need 6s)
Airial Assault says you fire at full BS no matter what (hence modifying the snapfire rule)
This FAQ says you cannot modify when you have to snapfire
you are right though, if this does effect it though, it would mean airial assault would never work, as moving at 12 means you have to snapfire 1 gun. but personally its a GW oversight again. I do think this FAQ effects it, as I stated above. You do put good points though, I guess it comes down to ways of interpretation _________________ Status: Usurping Kabal leadership for his Patriarch
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