Using Raiders as Cover

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Alright, me too. Just e-mailed them aswell.

It will be a miracle if they actually do anything about it. That being said if they do, that would restore some of my faith in them.

E-mail sent. Fingers crossed.

Ah ha! That explains why I couldn't find anything much about it.

E-mail sent also.

tlronin wrote:

@OP: First and foremost, why do you abandon the idea completely? Page 20: "A unit can never declare a charge against a unit that it cannot reach, nor can it declare a charge against a unit it cannot see." Leave 1 Wych out in the open so it can draw LOS at the unit you want to charge et voila. You benefit from the cover of the Raider and be able to charge (declaring a charge happens before overwatch so...)

The point is that you don't benefit from any cover from the Raider, because everyone can see your wyches underneath it.

As long as 25% of their bodies are obscured then you get the cover save

Edit - head covered would be enough, and it only had to be obscure from the perspective of 1 firer

Barking Agatha wrote:

tlronin wrote:

@OP: First and foremost, why do you abandon the idea completely? Page 20: "A unit can never declare a charge against a unit that it cannot reach, nor can it declare a charge against a unit it cannot see." Leave 1 Wych out in the open so it can draw LOS at the unit you want to charge et voila. You benefit from the cover of the Raider and be able to charge (declaring a charge happens before overwatch so...)

The point is that you don't benefit from any cover from the Raider, because everyone can see your wyches underneath it.

Is that a normal way of playing? I've always given/taken cover saves for skimmers.

DominicJ wrote:

Barking Agatha wrote:

tlronin wrote:

@OP: First and foremost, why do you abandon the idea completely? Page 20: "A unit can never declare a charge against a unit that it cannot reach, nor can it declare a charge against a unit it cannot see." Leave 1 Wych out in the open so it can draw LOS at the unit you want to charge et voila. You benefit from the cover of the Raider and be able to charge (declaring a charge happens before overwatch so...)

The point is that you don't benefit from any cover from the Raider, because everyone can see your wyches underneath it.

Is that a normal way of playing? I've always given/taken cover saves for skimmers.

That is what I'm asking.

The rules are very clear, if using at least 25% of your model being allocated a wound is obstructed from at least 1 firer then you get a cover save. There isn't some special rule that states skimmers are an exception to this.

And it's still possible to block line of sight completely with them (in conjuction with other items on the field)

So yes in most case being on the other side of a raider would mean a cover save of 5+

Seshiru wrote:

The rules are very clear, if using at least 25% of your model being allocated a wound is obstructed from at least 1 firer then you get a cover save. There isn't some special rule that states skimmers are an exception to this.

And it's still possible to block line of sight completely with them (in conjuction with other items on the field)

So yes in most case being on the other side of a raider would mean a cover save of 5+

Really?



Does that look like at least 25%?

You would still get cover Barking Agatha. As your opponent is firing through a unit.

Quote :

If a target is partially hidden from the firer's view by models from a third unit, it receives a 5+ cover save in the same way as if it was behind terrain. Similarly, if a model fires trough the gaps between models in an intervening unit, the target is in cover, even if it is completely visible to the firer. Not that this does not apply if the shot goes over the unit rather than through it. - BRB page 18

The rules are clear. However, if still you have problems with your opponent for whatever reason, you draw line of sight from the models head, so using a laser point the angle would not be the same as the photo you took. You could use the shorter raider stands, or you could tilt you raider as they have socket joints. Either of those should give you 25% cover. But like I said you don't need it as your opponent is shooting through a unit.

If your opponent pulls the, that doesn't make any sense fluff wise (some people need to have fluff justifications for everything) . The reason would be all of all the air distortion from the anti grave generators and thruster of the raider, the wyches would be like a shimmering haze, as well as the raiders varying height.

Hope that helps. Nice colour scheme btw.

That's what I needed. Thank you!!!!

Glad I could help, took me a while to remember where the rule was!

As a Dark Eldar player I have always felt we needed to know all the rules inside out, at least in a lot more depth than other armies in order to get the most out of our units. This edition is no exception and has made things harder by having the rules scattered all over the place!

The amount of times I have to point stuff out to my opponents in the rule book and they go "Oh I never knew that!".