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PostSubject: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 20 2011, 20:28

I wonder what do you think about this:

HQ 300
Lady Malys 130
2x Haemunculus, Webway Portal, 2x85

Elites 250
8x Incubi, Klaivex, Onslaught 206 (Malys go here since she have Grenades)

Troops 831
9 wyches, Haywires 108
9 wyches, Haywires 108
9 wyches 90, Raider, Night shield 70 (Haemonculus go here)
8 wyches 80, Raider, Night shield, Sails 75 (Haemonculus go here)
10 Wracks, 2x Liquifier, Acolyst, Agoniser 150
10 Wracks, 2x Liquifier, Acolyst, Agoniser 150

Fast 342
Warp Beasts: 2x Beast Masters, 2 Flocks, 5 Khymeres 114
Warp Beasts: 2x Beast Masters, 2 Flocks, 5 Khymeres 114
Warp Beasts: 2x Beast Masters, 2 Flocks, 5 Khymeres 114

Heavy 315
Ravager 105
Ravager 105
Ravager 105

I think absolutely everything except Ravagers land in Reserves, then Lady take Raider or two filled with Wyches, FNP and WWP out of her Prada bag and put them... somewhere where enemy can't get them.
First turn - at least 1 WWP land somewhere and crumping beggins. Malys have both Grenades and Drugs, so she may be very useful in Incubi unit.

So, what do You think?

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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 20 2011, 21:20

Plop you go in the Army Lists forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 20 2011, 21:27

Might want to reread grenades as they only apply to the model who has them (The PGL specifically gives them to the whole squad). I'd also suggest your wyches need hekatrixs with agonisers as they are the great leveller in almost any combat.
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 20 2011, 21:43

Awww. Crap. So I guess normal Archon then? Maybe I would throw away 1 Beasts unit and buff Wyches...

I also summed points wrong... PROCESSING
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 20 2011, 22:11

I think your wyche units with the wwp will get hammered. evenwith feel not pain they will die from explosions and shooting easily. If you give the haemonculi liqui guns and drop one wrack from each squad you have a lot tougher unit which still has 2 flamer templates and will hurt units even if they have lost half the squad re-rolling wounds on the charge against mech.

8 incubi? seems like huge overkill! 2 units of 3 maybe?

I agree with strange dude. Drop a coupla wyches or for agonisers.

the rest looks fine though

What does malys do for this list. How do you intend to benefit from her abilities against the common opponents?
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 20 2011, 22:28

*ninjaed*
Use Wracks instead of Wyches for WWP. They are tougher and can shoot.
*argh double ninjaed*
Wyches can fleet so they have a better assault range and pack a serious punch, but Wyches produce their punch by Agonisers so hekatrixes are a must.


As was said Malys just has Plasma Grenades, no PGL and afaik RAW is that Lady Malys may put units from the table in reserves, but not from reserves on the table.
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 20 2011, 22:39

I want to do "peka-boo!" with her redeployment of WWP Raiders.
I deploy only ravagers, then enemy deploy his stuff, then I deploy Raiders so they would be relatively safe...

Here is something different.

HQ 300
Malys 130
2x Haemunculus, Webway Portal, 2x85

Elites 210
6 Harlequins, 2x Fusion Pistol, 6x Kiss, led by Shadowseer 200 (Malys go here)

Troops 956
9 wyches, Hekatrix with Agoniser, Haywires 138
9 wyches, Hekatrix with Agoniser, Haywires 138
9 wyches, Hekatrix with Agoniser 120, Raider, Night shield 70 (Haemonculus go here)
9 wyches, Hekatrix with Agoniser 120, Raider, Night shield 70 (Haemonculus go here)
10 Wracks, 2x Liquifier, Acolyst, Agoniser 150
10 Wracks, 2x Liquifier, Acolyst, Agoniser 150

Fast
Warp Beasts: 2x Beast Masters, 2 Flocks, 5 Khymeres 114
Warp Beasts: 2x Beast Masters, 2 Flocks, 5 Khymeres 114

Heavy 315
Ravager 105
Ravager 105
Ravager 105



I also made different variant, with Archon:

HQ 340
Archon, Blaster, Djin, Venom, Shadow field, Soultrap, Phantasm, Drugs 170
2x Haemunculus, Webway Portal, 2x85

Elites 228
9x Incubi, Klaivex, Onslaught 228 (Archon go here since he have Grenades)

Troops 956
9 wyches, Hekatrix with Agoniser, Haywires 138
9 wyches, Hekatrix with Agoniser, Haywires 138
9 wyches, Hekatrix with Agoniser 120, Raider, Night shield 70 (Haemonculus go here)
9 wyches, Hekatrix with Agoniser 120, Raider, Night shield 70 (Haemonculus go here)
10 Wracks, 2x Liquifier, Acolyst, Agoniser 150
10 Wracks, 2x Liquifier, Acolyst, Agoniser 150

Fast 130
Scourges, 2x Haywire Blaster 130

Heavy 210
Ravager 105
Ravager 105

@tiri:
I don't see why Malys "perk" could not work in opposite direction, but ok. That's why I've posted second list.

I plan to unload Haemonculus from Raider leaving Wyches inside on turn 1.
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 20 2011, 23:00

I don't know, how you deploy, or if I misunderstand something, but as we do and afaik as described by the BRB you declare wich units to deploy and wich are going to reserves.
Then you deploy your units.
Your opponent does the same.
You deploy infiltrators and your opponent does the same.
Scout moves.

Lady Malys uses her special rule, but she may only take units off table, not add some.
So I think "Peeka-Boo!" is not a legal move.

just my 2ct.
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 21 2011, 05:20

Tiri Rana wrote:

Lady Malys uses her special rule, but she may only take units off table, not add some.
So I think "Peeka-Boo!" is not a legal move.

just my 2ct.

It depends on your defenition of deploy. During deployment do you choose to place units in reserve or deploy them in reserve, Lady Malys rule allows you to 'redeploy' D3 units so I can see this being read either way.
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 21 2011, 05:59

Maybe think about these few things.

In the Wyche squads with Haywire, give the Hekatrix a Blast Pistol and Venom blade in lue of the Agoniser. IMO better synergy when you run up against a Vehicle and if you shoot before you charge (at least maybe just with BP to avoid a mischarge) you will kill on average as many as just having a Splinter Pistol and Agoniser if not more and gives you the added utility to crack open transports to get to the soft insides.

Not 100% sold on the Nightshields for those Raiders as most opponent heavy weapons out range your weapons even with the 6" reduction and if your going to deliver the Webways your going to be in the mix most likely anyways. Maybe choose a Flickerfield instead (unless you plan on going fast enough for a cover save, and don't see many Hydra's). Or put Flickerfields on the Ravagers, or keep the NS and hope for the best.

Beast units - Flocks are just deadly and the Khymeres keep them from getting one shot by S6. I would think you might be better served going with more Flocks (i.e. max out) and less Khymeres especially if you are coming out of the webway which should reduce your exposure to incoming fire.

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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 21 2011, 08:38

if you are assualting with the harlies the shadowseer is pointless. They can already ignore cover (and hence assault in initiative order) with their flip belts. Veil of tears is not much good when you need to be within 15 inches to expect to get assault off. I'm meh about fusion pistols.

Also don't have book to hand but I don't think haemonculus has fleet so this will nerf wyches a little. I still believe they should go with the wracks but its your list.
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 21 2011, 15:24

General Smooth wrote:
Also don't have book to hand but I don't think haemonculus has fleet so this will nerf wyches a little. I still believe they should go with the wracks but its your list.

They don't have fleet and I thought the same but my guess is (and L_O can confirm or deny) he's planning on using the Haemonculus simply as a webway delivery system as well as to share his pain token with the Wyches giving them FNP. Given the Haem has no other upgrades (Liquifier gun, Venom Blade etc) to add to his utility.

Haemonculus disembarks, moves out of coherency to drop his webway; the Wyches either move to engage an enemy unit or they remain on the Raider either way retaining the pain token (share the pain). Now that he is not part of their unit they can fleet in the shooting phase and assault if necessary.
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 21 2011, 15:43

This list automatically has my approval for using the under-used Lady Malys.
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 21 2011, 16:19

Actually I plan to ride 12", unload Haemonculus (Wyches stay inside with Pain token) and in next turn use Wyches.

Hmm...

Maybe use 2x Archon and 2x Raider Grots (FNP, lots of wounds, high T) then?

Certainly I need to rethink how I would like to run this thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 21 2011, 17:04

well if you drop a wrack with gun and give the haem a venom blade and liqui gun the units work just the same and if you don't get first turn you have units that can survive a whole army shooting at them. It doesn't change the way you play the army except the wyches need to get their own pain token. They could always begin in the webway if you wanted.
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PostSubject: Re: Lady Blades - Malys based CC army.   Lady Blades - Malys based CC army. I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 21 2011, 17:46

Local_Ork wrote:

6 Harlequins, 2x Fusion Pistol, 6x Kiss, led by Shadowseer 200 (Malys go here)


since Malys doesn't have a flipbelt, all she'll do for the harlequins is slow them down.
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