Is anyone else really disappointed in the new Eldar release?

The bulk of my disappointment in the new Eldar has very little to do with rules, I'm sure they will be powerful enough and brought into line with 6th ed, etc., etc.

I am very disappointed in the models, or more specifically, the lack of models being redone. I was hoping that this new release would give me a good chance to start adding some Eldar allies into my DE force, and eventually expanding to a full Eldar force. I just can't bring myself to buy models that look like they have barely come out of the Rogue Trader era. Not all the existing Eldar models look that bad, but a lot of them do.

The other thing that makes me sad is the Wraithknight. In my mind this Eldar release unofficially marks the merging of Apocalypse with normal 40k (the Tau release helped too though...). I hate Apoc, but love 40k. So I'm not sure what is going to happen with the game, but I can only hope I won't have to buy Superheavies in the future just to remain relevant in normal games/tournaments of 40k.

I feel pretty much the same way. I don't like Apocalypse either and was super disappointed in the jetbike overlook. Still hoping that maybe the will have some new stuff in a split release like they did with DE.

I'm kind of the reverse. I've always liked the Eldar models and Ilke most of the new models too. What I'm disappointed with is the rules that I've seen so far. There is literally nothing in the rules that I have seen or heard of so far that has made me want to collect them.

I find it hard to judge the rules as what we have incomplete. I have yet to see an accurate list of the eldar powers and eldar have always been about their psychic ability.

I've pre-ordered the codex and a set of psychic power cards and will take a few weeks to go through them before I decide whether I want to continue collecting Eldar. I have a friend who wants to play them so I could probably sell him my Eldar models and use the money to reinforce my Tau. It would be a shame though as I've been wanting to play Eldar again for years now but couldn't bring myself to use the old codex and it looks like I might have the same issues with the new one!

I agree to some parts. I would have loved to see some new jet bike riders to go with my Dark Eldar/Saim hann themed pirate army.
The warp spiders could use a more dynamic mini and the avatar, swooping hawks and dark reapers are down right ugly... Other than that I realy don't think the Eldar range is that ugly looking =)
I'm more concerned when it comes to the rules so far. Feels like there is more than a handful of FUBAR-opportunities heading down the GW pipe. How much of this is true and what's not we don't know yet. I for one hopes that some of the combos is either trolling or has some restriction to them. I might be wrong but I like fair games with out the necessity of dex creep.

When it comes to apoc or not I really don't know. I myself has never attended a tournament, friendly local games over some beers is the way me and my buddies play this game =)

Mushkilla wrote:

I find it hard to judge the rules as what we have incomplete. I have yet to see an accurate list of the eldar powers and eldar have always been about their psychic ability.

I agree completely, I've got the iPad codex on pre-order and will make my mind up on the rules once I've read it cover to cover.

I would like to see some updated models, in particular the jetbikes given that there was a picture of a prototype floating around a while back. Other than that, maybe a few more options in terms of an upgrade pack for characters on jetbikes and I'm pretty happy. I do love the new wraithguard models they've worked on, and I can see the beginnings of my eldar collection coming together in my head already.

I was kind of hoping that since the Dire Avengers were now only a five pack that they would re-do the model and make it a mult-part kit with all the bells and whistles we are now used to.

The one thing that has always turned me off Eldar is the models if I am honest. That and the garish colourschemes that seem to be encouraged (I like my GrimmDark of the Grimm and Dark variety!).

It seems to me that they are very much pushing the Iyanden path of big mechs and Eldar necromancy which may explain the lack of new foot units. But yeah I agree that all the flyers and walkers of almost super-heavy proportions takes a little away from what I see as the meat and potatoes of the game; squads of infantry beating the snot out of each other in hails of bolts and shurikens.

Perhaps the lean towards apocalypse-style of play is an answer to the large number of skirmish games we have had in recent years (especially since Kickstarter became popular!) With Epic going the way of the Dodo fans of all-out super waaaagh will have to find their fix in the 20mm arena...

Mushkilla wrote:

I find it hard to judge the rules as what we have incomplete. I have yet to see an accurate list of the eldar powers and eldar have always been about their psychic ability.

I do agree about the rules, obviously the real test of the Dex will be a few weeks after the release date once people have put time in with the codex.

I don't even think I'm going to get that far though. The first and most important test of any release is, 'do I get excited to build/paint these models?'. For me anyway. After that I'll start looking at the rules and developing tactics and an army in my head. If the models don't pass the test though, then the rest barely matters. Based on the current state of model releases, I just need to know how to kill them, not worry about collecting them.

My problem with Epic is I dont want to play epic. I want to play 40k on an epic scale.
Apoc doesnt really do that, because I have 60 individual troops and 7 heavy supports
No one has ten thousand guardsmen, yet the guard throws millions in to the fray without a thought.

But with Epic models, and scaled 40k rules, it could be glorious

Im dissapointed by the models as well.

Wraithknight...i dont know...both Titans just look plain better, they have style - and this guy try to aim at him, while being an enlarged copy of Wriathlord.

Never was fun of wriath theme, but i am a massive fun of Aspects and my Craftworld is Biel-Tan.
Has yet to see some decent rules. Dragons got more expensive, DA got Rending, Reapers have Slow And Purposefull.

If i will be able to play Aspect heavy army il be good. Sadly there are no new aspect models. Both Warp Spiders and Banshees doesnt look to hot. They have old proportions. I like all the other aspects.

Pheonix lords are one of the most terrible models in the game. And they are not redone. Yeah....

Eldar was struggling 5th and now. I hope it ends now. But what i heard of the rules doesnt really shows this.

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What I'm disappointed with is the rules that I've seen so far.

This.

We do not have the codex yet. It is not out. Some things that you've heard might have been changed, but maybe that just changes how you play with the list you have at the moment. How well the army will work togetherwill be figured out after the Codex is released and when people have been able to play a few games. Please, nobody write it off too quickly, though. Being disappointed with what you've seen so far is alright, but it's too early to tell at the moment what the full army will look like.

Look at what people said about how 6th ed affected DE when they didn't even have the new Rulebook. Look at how successful we still are.

CreepingDementia, I understand what you mean, especially after I heard of plastic Aspect Warriors.

I'm moving this to the Warhammer 40,000 Discussion section. We are Dark Eldar. CWE are a different army. Cheers.

Nope, not disappointed at all.

I am completely reserving judgement on the codex until after I have had enough time to mull it over. It is what the army needs the most, so I am focusing on it the most. I do not expect it to be perfect, none of them are, but it was at least done by Phil.

My son already has a decent-sized army that we should not need to tinker much with. More new models would always be great, but the ones that we are getting are terrific, plus GW was never going to release a slew of new ones AND re-do the old ones. They haven't for other armies and they probably couldn't anyway, given the gruelling release pace they have set themselves. Hopefully, there will be a second wave somewhere down the road.

I also think the DE releases two years ago spoilt everyone a bit.

Given nearly all the aspects (except warp spiders, shining spears and swooping hawks) got redone with the last codex I am surprised to hear how the minis are awful. The hawks and spears are from 3rd ed while the spiders are 2nd ed.

In fact, the eldar range basically got the DE treatment at the last dex

Well, I'm not disappointed, but that's because I'm very biased.

All I ever wanted to do was create an all Wraith army. And... Look what they did?! New Spiritseer, new Wraithguards/blades, Wraightknight, Wraith flyer and... Even a supplement about my favorite craftworld. To me it's like a kid opening presents at Christmas.

But I can imagine if you were waiting for, well basically everything else, to be remodeled this could be quite the let down.

I can't wait for it, personally. The codex is the most important thing obviously, in dire need of an update, so the fact that there is one at last is enough for me! And models in addition to the obligatory aircraft are a bonus for me, as I have very few issues with the current Eldar range (aside from the jetbikes, but never mind). Wraithguard shifting to plastic and getting cheaper, as well as having more options, is great news. I like the look of the flyers and everything else too, though I won't be picking up any Dire Avengers at their new price. Or Illic Nightspear. His name sounds a little too... porn star.

As far as models go, at least their new flyer looks amazing. Do you guys think it would be "ok" to use it as a DE flyer?

Gobsmakked wrote:

Nope, not disappointed at all.

I am completely reserving judgement on the codex until after I have had enough time to mull it over. It is what the army needs the most, so I am focusing on it the most. I do not expect it to be perfect, none of them are, but it was at least done by Phil.

I also think the DE releases two years ago spoilt everyone a bit.

This +1
While new jetbikes would have certainly were in order, the rest of the line holds up well. DE were gutted and COMPLETELY revamped because the old line was, well-horrible. (I know that there are a few old-timers here that will argue that point; I played them in 3rd edition and haven't looked back once the new models came out )

As to the rules, how are we complaining about something that none of us have seen yet? I'm not sure that we should jump off a bridge because of internet rumors

Evil Space Elves wrote:

As to the rules, how are we complaining about something that none of us have seen yet? I'm not sure that we should jump off a bridge because of internet rumors

I've seen quite a lot of the rules now and, whilst possibly not quite as bad as I was fearing, there is still precious little that has excited me about them. I will however wait and see the full codex before coming to any decisions.

Ill reserve judgement till I see the rules. The Wraithknight doesnt look promising to me at all, and if they do try to fuse Apoc and regular 40k with their shenannigans as long as nothing gets forcefields or void shields, I dont see where we should have a problem. Dark Lances and poison > Tanks and MCs worth 250+ points anyway...

I was also kinda bummed about the pheonix lords not being redone.

I get the feeling that GW are trying to push people away from using named characters and to come up with their own ala WFB (the Warlord traits and challenge system etc).

However to encourage this more I think they need to release more kits that allow people to really make the warlord their own. At the moment only the Space Marine Captain has any real amount of interchangability beyond different weapon choices.

Maybe its the fluff lover in me but Id really like for every race to have a multi-sprue warlord kit to play with!

DominicJ wrote:

My problem with Epic is I dont want to play epic. I want to play 40k on an epic scale.
Apoc doesnt really do that, because I have 60 individual troops and 7 heavy supports
No one has ten thousand guardsmen, yet the guard throws millions in to the fray without a thought.

But with Epic models, and scaled 40k rules, it could be glorious

A sad opinion, because in my book, the old Epic was the BEST - WAY better than 40K.

I am wholly into 15mm scale these days but I do miss 6mm - you could field a batallion while 40K only gives you two platoons.

Or: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouGknMVRuTY

I never really got into Epic as when it was at it's height I was still too young to buy my own models!

I did once play a campaign though that started out with battlefleet gothic, then moved to Epic, 40k and finally killteam.

That was fun

I recently had the privilege of guest-hosting episode 128 of Jaded Gamercast. My opinions can be found there. It's pretty explicit, so listen at your own risk.

In a nutshell: it's a half-assed release.

Creeping Dementia wrote:

The bulk of my disappointment in the new Eldar has very little to do with rules, I'm sure they will be powerful enough and brought into line with 6th ed, etc., etc.

I am very disappointed in the models, or more specifically, the lack of models being redone. I was hoping that this new release would give me a good chance to start adding some Eldar allies into my DE force, and eventually expanding to a full Eldar force. I just can't bring myself to buy models that look like they have barely come out of the Rogue Trader era. Not all the existing Eldar models look that bad, but a lot of them do.

This, in spades.

I can't believe they overlooked the jetbikes when perfectly good new sculpts have been around since 2008 and reboxing the Avengers so we get 5 where we used to get 10 is cynical beyond words.

The Wraithknight I couldn't care less about.

Bearded Dan wrote:

I recently had the privilege of guest-hosting episode 128 of Jaded Gamercast. My opinions can be found there. It's pretty explicit, so listen at your own risk.

In a nutshell: it's a half-assed release.

I heard it and lol'd. And it hit the nail on the head like a nuke: half-assed. The releases with each new Craftworld codex theory is plausible, but if they're going to hang fire, and hang fire, and hang fire...month after month, and we're going to have to wait even longer for models that should have been updated when the Millennium Dome was being built, it's going to be a long, frustrating wait.

And I will punish GW for their temerity by buying Tau instead. That'll teach 'em.

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