Summary of Dark Eldar in 6th edition

Thor665 wrote:

"Xenos Edition"?

Meh, I'll believe that when I see it. Since it goes against the last 20 years of GW marketing I'm banking on 'rumor'.

Absolutely. I truly hope that they don't reduce the game back to the dark ages of Herohammer of 2nd edition. I guess it would entice more 10 year-olds back into gaming stores

Given the relative newness of the DE book, i would doubt the removal of defensive weapons on vehicles since plsinter weapons claify they are ALWAYS defensive...

Enh, wandering around...so late post

Pure speculation, (but not wishlisting!!) would say PfP changes to FNP(1) 5+/FC/FNP(2)4+ or maybe FNP(3) 3+ instead of fearless. Fearless has it's place, but it's not Commoragh's style.

The wishlist part of this is more like start with FNP(2), get FC, then get (3), or possibly a beef to ++. Whyches with a 3++ in combat and a 6++ in the open? I can play with that. I also keep wondering why the Talos has no ++ save. The DreadKnight is close to the (base) points, but has the 5++.

Well I've been reading through some stuff/rumors about 6th Edition, and it just seems to be to good to be true. What i read, i really liked. made the game more interesting. We'll really have to see what the rules will really are.

Example, lances are all lance(2) if nothing else is said. ok so nothing changed here.
But lances also always ignore any modifiers on the damage table, so lets see what modifiers there are suppose to be?
-2 for glancing (nice! no more g-lances)
-1 for any normal hit(wt? so a lascanon gets a -1 on the damage table? yeha!)
-0 for DS1(so lances will effectively be DS1, NICE)
-3 for blastmarkers where the hole is not under the vehicle(EPIC Bomber Bomb?)

So Lances will be a Rock. Combine that with models in transporters count as relentless?! Oh look, there is a raider with 3 trueborn and 2 DL inside.... what, another ravager?

So you see, it just sounds too good to be true. so lets hope and see.

I've also heard that units in transports have their range significantly reduced, and you still can't fire if you move more than 6'', whihc would make you easier to hit by shooting too, so Trueborn might not be that hot. However, better lances means you need to take less for the same effect, so we don't necessarily have to spam Trueborn. I also hope thye give Voidraven Lance (3). Would actually make it superior to the Ravager in terms of firepower. The mine is still mostly useless tho.

My biggets worry is really the rumour that units inside vehicles won't count as scoring. We don't exactly have any troops that can sit on objectives and get shot at (exept Wracks, and even they aren't that tough, especially with cover being rduce to 5+). Also basic fnp sropping to 5+ would massively reduce the surviveability of Haemonculi stuff, as all of it exept the Pain Engines rely on fnp as their "primary" save.

Well the stuff that i read also stated that Units in open Toped vehicles can score(if the unit can score) so that helps. But we'll really have to see.

Im actually kinda interested in seeing if losing the cover save for going flat out and making it harder to hit actually increases the surivivability of our tanks at all??? From the top of my head they seem to be about equal (as the formula will now be # of shots*.166*% to glance instead of # of shots*% of hit*% to glance*.5)

actually... lets do the mathhammer now

so lets actually shoot a Ravager at a flat out Raider.

5th Ed
3*.667*833*.5=.833; So an 83% chance of getting a damage effect

6th Ed Rumors
3*.166*.833=.414; So a 41% chance of a damage result

hmm... thats quite interesting... So it seems our tanks might be somewhat surivable with that change, until SM all get a 5pt upgrade that lets them always hit with their balistic skill

Quote :

|Shadows Revenge|5th Ed
3*.667*833*.5=.833; So an 83% chance of getting a damage effect

6th Ed Rumors
3*.166*.833=.414; So a 41% chance of a damage result

hmm... thats quite interesting... So it seems our tanks might be somewhat surivable with that change, until SM all get a 5pt upgrade that lets them always hit with their balistic skill

Isn't the way of 40k. A new book comes out giving us Xenos an edge and then they come out with a MEC rule to ignore it. Cant wait to see what crazy things they come up with.

In the new Imperial Armor Apocalypse Second Edition in *new* eldar formation the bonus for it that formation can reroll Target Priority check. That pretty much indicate it will be in 6th.

What is Target Priority check? What was it in 4th ? How will it affect DE ?

Target Priority checks were a rule to allow you to ignore target priority on a passed leadership role.

Target Priority used to obligate you to shoot at the closest enemy unit.

I foresee that being a pain versus Long Fangs and Lootas, but otherwise being fairly null for us.

Thor, why a pain for LF but null for DE?

A pain *versus* them. They'll both be behind a wall of other gak and yet will be A+ priority targets for us.

Does it affect vehicles ? If no nothing really change for us.

The formation in question si copypasted directly from the old IA:A, so it migth eb that they just forgot to edit out the part about target priority.

Whats the point of second edition book if they wont even change on formation available for eldar race?
Surely there is something after it.

I'll give the rumours a sift through later but does anyone remember something being said about defensive weapons being nerfed? That will screw with a lot of our armies.

How so? With the new Aerial Assault rules the only vehicle I see in trouble would be the Venom - and they'd still be good, just a bit slower when max shooting.

Apparently, according to rumor, all the current codices will get a FAQ when 6th is released. So if something breaks badly with the new rules it will hopefully get FAQ'ed.

B.

Thor665 wrote:

I foresee that being a pain versus Long Fangs and Lootas, but otherwise being fairly null for us.

Yeah, I remember the days of target priority. A boon for those who use it, and a pain for those who wants to get that particular unit behind the veil of men/vehicle/whatever.

But otherwise, with every edition there will be some good things for everyone, and some bad things for everyone. Hopefully we get less of the bad things.

Sky Serpent wrote:

I'll give the rumours a sift through later but does anyone remember something being said about defensive weapons being nerfed? That will screw with a lot of our armies.

as i recall it, defensive weapons are gone. whatever that means...

Might mean that you can only fire one weapon while moving, even if they have strength of 4 or less. If they do that, they'll probably change the Splinter weapons rules about always counting as defensive weapons to not counting towards the limit of weapons you can fire. Would be strange for the Venom to be the only DE vehicles that can't fire all of its weapons on the move (aside from the Dais but that was a last-minute addition to the codex anyway and I bet they just forgot Raiders don't have Aerial Assault).

A thing I really liked from 4th edition was that you had to remove casualties from the models only within range of the weapon.

If used properly, you could actually snipe models...did that quite a few times

Same goes for target priority... you threw a couple units next to the enemy and the rest of your army simply pounded on them

Ok... 6 months more?

Armour save and invulnerable save at the same time, unspend stratagem points can be used once per game for rerolls... THEN my Archon will make his appearing, knowing he won't EVER DIE. Same for Sliscus and Baron.

Bidding contest for firts turn: save points and then steal initiative with Vect. Mmmhahahah!!

Movement impairing effects from pinning weapons even if morale check is passed (if roll is above halved Ld), Fearless not immune to this, but only effected if rolled over full Ld--> Necro missiles!

More reactions to shooting than going to the ground depending on unit type and special rules. bikes can evade (3+ cover as same as before, but cannot assault or shoot next turn -BUT THEY COULD DO TURBOBOOST N BLADE?? then 3+ and more difficult to be hit on a 6+ yay!), jump troops can fly high -HELLIONS, SCOURGES-, units with Stealth can attempt to vanish -MANDRAKES, BARON HELLIONS!-, …

So we will see more Archons, Vect, Hellions and Bikes...

There is restriction in movement to perform reactions ability in this pdf.

It seems a little scarier with skimmers losing their flat out cover save and only have modified BS.
What if some smartass like matt ward imagine some 4pts upgrade that deny that ?

Or there is some extremely cheap stratagem for that?