2k Lists. Torn between 2 lists and would like advice

I've only played 1 game with the new codex so far but I watched plenty of battle reports and theorized plenty of list.  So far, based on the models I have, I'm torn between 2 options and would like to get your opinion guys.

List 1 (variance of the list I tried)

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [52 PL, 1012pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Kabal of the Black Heart

+ HQ +

Archon []: Blast Pistol, Huskblade, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Archon []: Labyrinthine Cunning, Splinter pistol, Venom Blade, Warlord (Archon), Writ of the Living Muse

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors []
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors []
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors []
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Elites +

Mandrakes []: 4x Mandrake, Nightfiend

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager []: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager []: Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance

Ravager []: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider []: Disintegrator cannon, Splinter Racks

Venom []: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom []: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [21 PL, 430pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Cult of the Red Grief

+ HQ +

Succubus []: Archite Glaive, Splinter pistol

+ Fast Attack +

Reavers []: 2x Grav-Talon
. Arena Champion
. 3x Reaver
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Heat lance
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Heat lance

Reavers []: 2x Grav-Talon
. Arena Champion
. 3x Reaver
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Heat lance
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Heat lance

Scourges []
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [34 PL, 555pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Prophets of Flesh

+ HQ +

Haemonculus []: Electrocorrosive whip, Splinter Pistol

+ Elites +

Grotesques []
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver

+ Heavy Support +

Talos []
. Talos: Chain-Flails, Macro-Scalpel
. . Two Haywire Blasters: 2x Haywire blaster

Talos []
. Talos: Chain-Flails, Macro-Scalpel
. . Two Haywire Blasters: 2x Haywire blaster

Talos []
. Talos: Chain-Flails, Macro-Scalpel
. . Two Haywire Blasters: 2x Haywire blaster

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider []: Disintegrator cannon

++ Total: [107 PL, 1997pts] ++


Comments: 10 CPs.  It's a little bit of everything.  Talos are the anvil of this list while the Ravagers are the hammer.  The bike can tie shooty units of be held back to contest/score objectives (here we play either maelstrom or progressive objectives).  Scourge, helped by the Talos are on AT duty.  I use the Muse as relic and will purchase de helm/blood or mask based on my opponent.


List 2

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [35 PL, 745pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Kabal of the Flayed Skull

Prizes from the Dark City (1 Relic)

+ HQ +

Archon []: Blast Pistol, Huskblade

Archon []: Blast Pistol, Huskblade

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors []
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Agoniser, Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors []
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Agoniser, Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors []
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Agoniser, Splinter Rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges []
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider []: Disintegrator cannon, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Racks

Raider []: Disintegrator cannon, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Racks

Venom []: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [45 PL, 770pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Prophets of Flesh

+ HQ +

Haemonculus []: Diabolical Soothsayer, Electrocorrosive whip, Hexrifle

+ Elites +

Grotesques []
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver

Mandrakes []: 4x Mandrake, Nightfiend

+ Heavy Support +

Talos []
. Talos: Chain-Flails, Macro-Scalpel
. . Two Haywire Blasters: 2x Haywire blaster

Talos []
. Talos: Chain-Flails, Macro-Scalpel
. . Two Haywire Blasters: 2x Haywire blaster

Talos []
. Talos: Chain-Flails, Macro-Scalpel
. . Two Haywire Blasters: 2x Haywire blaster

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [25 PL, 479pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Alliance of Agony (1 CP)

Detachment Attribute: Kabal of the Black Heart

+ HQ +

Archon []: Blast Pistol, Huskblade, Labyrinthine Cunning, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Warlord (Archon), Writ of the Living Muse

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager []: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager []: Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance

Ravager []: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

++ Total: [105 PL, 1994pts] ++


Comments : Still 10 CPs.  This list sacrifice the reaver and so is slightly less mobile.  However, the Grot squad is now much more threatening and my Kabalite/venom reroll their 1's.  My vehicule are also faster which help on the mobility side of things.  Otherwise the list is the same.

My vote is for list 2. Mostly because I'm not the biggest fan of cult stuff and switching them out for more kabal and coven is just what I'd do. Although trying to switch out that regular Haemonculus for Urien might be a good idea. He does good work with Grots and Talos.

But Urien can't take a relic and I find the Vexator Mask to be pretty good with a large unit of Grots...

Grots are already quite resilient to overwatch so I'm not sure it adds much compared to tear strength. Also, I would split the grots into 2x5 and then group the talos and then the whole thing into a vanguard. Talos benefit more from fire and fade to advance up the board if needed since they have longer reach guns. And then your grots can be in 2 places at once. Turning a talos into a chronic is probably also reasonable give you have so much melee