2000p Jet-set Baron von Sathonyx enters true the wwp.

So i got another list in the making. The harlequin madness one isnt gonna happen until Harlequins are released in Finecast material. So i'l wait for that one a bit.

I'm thinking about bringing either this one or the gunboat list i posted a bit earlier here. This one is probably not half as good but its pretty cool.

Thoughts on this?


Baron 105
haemonculus: wwp 85
haemonculus: wwp 85

5 harlequins: 4 kisses, shadowseer with kiss 140
5 incubis: klaivex 125

20 warriors: 1 blaster, 2 splinter cannons, sybarite with venomb blade 230
10 warriors: 1 blaster, 1 splinter cannon, sybarite 125
8 wyches: hekatrix, haywire grenades 106
8 wyches: hekatrix, haywire grenades 106
5 wyches: shardnet & impaler 70
9 hellions 144

2 beastmasters: 4 khymereas, 2 razorwing flocks 102
2 beastmasters: 4 khymereas, 2 razorwing flocks 102
5 scourges: 2 haywire blasters 130

talos: chain-flails, haywire blaster 115
talos: chain-flails, haywire blaster 115
talos: chain-flails, haywire blaster 115


total: 2000


So the only thing i'm not happy with here is the trueborn squad. Having these on foot isnt my favorite option. Id like a unit of harlequins insteed perhaps, with a shadowseer to deliver one portal as the other haemonculus along with the baron goes with the big warrior unit.

Oh well, love some thoughts on it.

Who are the haems footslogging with and who is going in the portal?

I guess the 20 man warrior squad is slogging...are they it?

Hey thor.

Yeah the 20 man warrior unit is bringing the haemonculus and the baron. Rest goes into the portal in most cases.

Thought would be to ditch the trueborns and free up a little points to bring 5 harlequins with a shadowseer and run the 2nd haemon with them to deliver a portal a bit further away?

Thoughts on that? Or overall.

I made a few more changes like put in 5 harlequins with a shadowseer to take one haemonculus with portal for safety reasons. For spare points i gave a venom blade to the sybarite in the large squad, just 5p i had left.

One of the wych squads got a more dedicated job. They have a shardnet to hunt things like Dreadnoughts.

Looks good?

My initial reaction is that any WWP deployed by footsloggers is hardly worth using.

You gain, what, 8" or so from what you'd be if you deployed regularly?
Lack of being shot at for a turn, maybe two?

Your army is basically then, extra slow footsloggers that come in piecemeal. I do not see a serious strategic advantage to that. If you had the two Haems with different units than at least by Turn 2 you could deploy a portal about 15-20" forward, which is better, but basically 50% of your army would already be stumbling out of the rear portal.

In a Venom/Raider you can get move 12" + disembark 2" + width of base 1" + portal template 2" for a 17" deploy on Turn 1 which is almost twice what you can manage footslogging and gives you so many more options about where to portal drop (because you *have* to do a drop Turn 1)

Compare that with footslogging's 8" and consider this too - with 8" forward and the average deployment zone being 12" from board edge your models are popping out on Turn 2+ at 20" in.

The average Turn 1 move and run would be 12" deploy, + 6 move + 1-6 run = 19-24" which means they'll be slower using a portal than they would be just starting on the map. Yeah, they'll be shot at less on Turn 1, but since it will still take them the same number of rounds to get as far they'll still undergo the same number of rounds of being shot at, and will hit in waves as opposed to all at once.

I'd advise either trying to go all footslogging (ballsy) or meching up your portal carriers so they can deploy further forward and help the army come to grips with the enemy.

I think Harlequins can be pretty good portal carriers, but they do suffer from slowness and are probably better off being a second portal carrier backup.

Also, remember that in DoW Harlequins cannot deploy on the board - whereas a Troop option, in a Transport with HQ could. DoW can be tricky for WWP.

Many good points there and you are right on the spot with how contra productive it can be to deliver a portal on foot. Well the point here is that i want to play footdar, and running them just all over the table has proven to be crazy. Ive had pretty good success with the webway versions. Often cause you get to have your opponent not moving that far up and that way you get to fight him where youd like. of course thats not true when it comes to armys like IG, they just blow you apart.

But there is certainly a point there.

Ive also exprimented with webway versions thats not just walking on foot. I have a pretty fun version with a lil of everything going on here. It has venoms, raiders, a razorwing and people coming out of the portal. In this case i only brought one portal, didnt think i would need more and of course the point issue.


Baron
Haemonculus: wwp


5 harlequins: 5 kisses
4 incubis: venom with 2 splinter cannons

3 wracks: venom with 2 splinter cannons
5 warriors: 1 blaster, venom with 2 splinter cannons
5 warriors: 1 blaster, venom with 2 splinter cannons
5 warriors: 1 blaster, venom with 2 splinter cannons
9 wyches: haywire grenades, hekatrix, raider with DL
9 wyches: haywire grendaes, hekatrix, raider with DL

5 scourges: 2 haywire blaster
2 beastmasters: 4 khymereas, 2 razorwing flocks
2 beastmasters: 4 khymereas, 2 razorwing flocks

talos: chain, haywire
talos: chain, haywire
razorwing: ff


So this one has 2 talos, 2 beastmaster units and scourges coming out of the portal. Wracks go in reserv and leave their transport on the table for Harlequins to mount up in turn one. Haemonculus rides with incubis to deliver portal. Wyches speed right forward to gain cover save from moving flat out and being a threat in turn 2.

Aye, you get the point.