WWP list for casual play- 1k

WWp-1k (997pts)
1000pt Dark Eldar 5th Ed (2010) Roster (Standard)

Selections:

* HQ (180pts)

* Haemonculus (90pts)
(Altered Physique, Independent Character, Night Vision, Power from Pain)
* Haemonculus
Venom Blade, Webway Portal

* Haemonculus (90pts)
(Altered Physique, Independent Character, Night Vision, Power from Pain)
* Haemonculus
Venom Blade, Webway Portal

* Troops (458pts)

* Kabalite Warriors (125pts)
Blaster, 5x Warriors (Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain)
* Raider
Dark Lance, Enhanced Aethersails

* Kabalite Warriors (125pts)
Blaster, 5x Warriors (Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain)
* Raider
Dark Lance, Enhanced Aethersails

* Wyches (104pts)
* Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire grenades
* 6x Wyches
(Dodge, Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain)
6x Haywire grenades

* Wyches (104pts)
* Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire grenades
* 6x Wyches
(Dodge, Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain)
6x Haywire grenades

* Fast Attack (234pts)

* Reaver Jetbikes (78pts)
Heat Lance, 3x Jetbikes (Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain, Skilled Riders)

* Reaver Jetbikes (78pts)
Heat Lance, 3x Jetbikes (Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain, Skilled Riders)

* Reaver Jetbikes (78pts)
Heat Lance, 3x Jetbikes (Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain, Skilled Riders)

* Heavy Support (125pts)

* Ravager (125pts)
Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Enhanced Aethersails, Flickerfield, Retrofire Jets

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I know wracks would be better but I dont have them, btw list contain all my minis except Incubi/Raider/Beatpack so cant be picky.
My Q is: Dose this list have enough punch in AI section, or I should swap 2 bikes squads for beasts?

your wyches are ilegal because all your wyches have to have haywires, even the Sarge.

As for AI, I think you have enough, the problem is I would max out ravagers before I start taking reavers.

Also, why the Athersails??? what purpose do they serve??? And do the wyches have a transport as well??? because if not... thats a bad idea...

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your wyches are ilegal because all your wyches have to have haywires, even the Sarge.

Oh yea, I miss that.

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As for AI, I think you have enough, the problem is I would max out ravagers before I start taking reavers.

Why?? Dont see point in taking 3 ravagers for 1k game.....sory I dont play with razor spam....I actualy dont play any spam unless we are talking of Boyz/gaut/guardsmen hord spam(or other existing spam-with meaning)

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Also, why the Athersails???what purpose do they serve???

Raider going faster...duh

They are going from portal.....so why I need transports?

GrenAcid wrote:

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your wyches are ilegal because all your wyches have to have haywires, even the Sarge.

Oh yea, I miss that.

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As for AI, I think you have enough, the problem is I would max out ravagers before I start taking reavers.

Why?? Dont see point in taking 3 ravagers for 1k game.....sory I dont play with razor spam....I actualy dont play any spam unless we are talking of Boyz/gaut/guardsmen hord spam(or other existing spam-with meaning)

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Also, why the Athersails???what purpose do they serve???

Raider going faster...duh

They are going from portal.....so why I need transports?

Ah, didnt see the portal, my bad

Its not about what you play, or play against, but what you get for your point value. a ravager will out preform 3 reavers any time. Heck, Id bet it outpreforms 2 squads of 3 reavers in that they can shoot every turn instead of having to zoom up close to get their AT in range. Im fine with reavers in under 1k, but I think you would just get more bang from your buck with atleast 2 ravagers and 1 reaver squad than 1 ravager and 3 reavers.

As for the aethersails, whats their purpose??? to get 5 warriors in an AV 10 transport closer so they can what, rapid fire??? bad idea. thats two easy kps, as well as losing some of your lacking AT, for almost no return. Your blasters can get into plase T1 by just moving 12', shooting your DL off the raider, than moving 6 T2, no need for the extra movement.

So all you have left is to get your Haemie closer to drop the portal, right??? So lets see, you flat out T1, then T2 comes around, and you roll for reserves, oh look, your wyches come in, yet you dont have a portal for them to come out of since you flat out your raider. Guess they are hoofing it from your board edge.

Or say you beat the odds and nothing comes in T2, so you get your haemie out and drop the portal near their board edge. Now all they have to do is move their tanks 6 and jump guys out, then run around your portal, and presto, no board edge for you. Guess what, your back to hoofing those 7 wyches across the table.

Those 10 points can be used for anything, a warrior, a wych, even shock prows (which are amazing at low point games btw) yet you have them on an upgrade that adds nothing to your army. I like Aethersails, I think they are great to get your close combat units where they need to be T1, yet you have no close combat units in raiders... so whats the point in wasting points that could be used for something ulseful.

P.S. Im not trying to sound ignorant, yet Im trying to understand whats the point in the upgrade that you gain nothing from.

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Its not about what you play, or play against, but what you get for your point value. a ravager will out preform 3 reavers any time. Heck, Id bet it outpreforms 2 squads of 3 reavers in that they can shoot every turn instead of having to zoom up close to get their AT in range. Im fine with reavers in under 1k, but I think you would just get more bang from your buck with atleast 2 ravagers and 1 reaver squad than 1 ravager and 3 reavers.

Valid IF I had 2 ravagers, I dont, I have bikes.

EA- I agree with you(at some points) but I find this upgrade usefull(not always ofc) Its just my exp and aditional option with +2d6" movement you can do great things, and after my warriors drop portal they shoot and they die Im aware of this, but my sueside taxi can do some fun on battefield.(yes I like to tankshok/ram things).
For 15pts I cant buy much and shock prow(is good) but I preffer more movement.

Not sure how effective its going 2 play out. As I have mentioned in another post this list lacks identity since you're in essence scarificing over 40% of your points to deliver less than 50%. I mean by your own admission your expectation is very little more than drop portals and die. That's more than 40% of your points. Good WWP lists are not easy and the less points the harder it gets.

Hey hey,

I looked over the list and many of the good questions has already been said. I'm a bit tired and omw to bed right now so i just tossed together a small list as a suggestion. There are some things in yours that i really doubt like the WWP. I see really no reason to bring it, if you would then it would be stupid to not have ATLEAST one talos coming out of it. Thats just a must in my book. However i am not trying to be ignorant or so and i also took what models you had into consideration. I added a few venoms to the build even thou you did not mention owning any. I suggest you invest in atleast 3, it is a fantastic model both to look at and play with.

Anyway here is my suggestion. Let me know what you think.

Haemonculus: liquifier gun 60

5 Warriors: 1 blaster in venom with 2 splinter cannons 125
5 Warriors: 1 blaster in venom with 2 splinter cannons 125
5 Wyches; haywire grenades in raider with lance and flickerfield 130
8 Wyches: haywire grenades, heka with agoniser in raider with lance 186

3 Reavers: 1 heat lance 78
3 Reavers: 1 heat lance 78
2 Beastmasters: 4 khymereas, 2 razorwing flocks

Ravager: 3 lances, flickerfield 115

Total: 999
Models: 43


So you see there is some changes. I just did not feel that the WWP really did any in this list. Also cutting down one wych unit while boosting another is probably a good idea. Now you have beastmaster unit and larger wych unit for tar pitting and counter charging along with the small wych one.

You got 9 lance weapons that you are able to fire at 7 different targets. You got a couple of venoms with splinter cannons for anti infantry fire, then you can mop up the rest with beasts and wyches. Haemonculus obviously starts in the big Wych unit. The reason that the small wych unit raider has flicker field and that the bigger doesnt is that you will almost always speed 13-24" turn one to threaten something with the big wych unit and therefor you get the 4+ cover save anyhow. The flickerfield is nice but the smaller wych unit might ride up 12" and shoot their lance along with the ravager. You see what i mean.

Thor was correct earlier about that Ravagers being alot more effective then the reavers but as you said you dont have any more ravagers. On the other hand i am pretty fond of the small 3's of reavers. Maybe even more then the 6 men strong units. This comes from playing a list i called "Harlequin Madness" were i had 3 x 3 reavers with a heat lance each. The lance isnt always so trustworthy but contesting while speeding 36" along with slashing a few hits over long fangs etc is always nice. So to sum it up, i like em.

Anyway this was just a few cents from my part. Let me know what you think about it, im more then happy to discuss it with you. Perhaps you really really want to include the WWP and then we can work something out from there.

Ciao

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Good WWP lists are not easy and the less points the harder it gets.

I know, 1,2k list looks soo much better.

@teknistmajjan
Thx for reply, and for adice but If I ever gonna have venom its gonna be one for archon/succubus and thats it(great rules ect but I dont like model that much compare to awesomnes of raider)

I`ll be playing this list on this weekend I suppose so things become clear afther battle, maybe for smaller pts clasic raider mounted force is better

GrenAcid wrote:

[EA- I agree with you(at some points) but I find this upgrade usefull(not always ofc) Its just my exp and aditional option with +2d6" movement you can do great things, and after my warriors drop portal they shoot and they die Im aware of this, but my sueside taxi can do some fun on battefield.(yes I like to tankshok/ram things).
For 15pts I cant buy much and shock prow(is good) but I preffer more movement.

I would like to point out our vehicles arent tanks, so we cant Tank Shock or ram without Shock Prows. So if you like to do that, atleast switch the sails to Prows

You caught me with pants down mate.

GrenAcid wrote:

You caught me with pants down mate.

lol better for it to be pointed out now than the last turn of the game when a difference from a tie and win is that "tank shock"

but try out your list, and afterwards come back and tell us what you think it is lacking.