1850 list vs. many different opponents.

So, I'm working a graveyard shift and I'm trying to kill some time by writing some lists for an upcoming game day. I don't have a lot of of people who play around me, but I have a some friends a few hours down state that I try to make it to and we try to get in a bunch of games.

There is a good chance I'll play against Necrons, Blood Angels, IG, Orks, Plague Marines, possible Tau or Eldar. I made up this kinda "all comers" list. I'm almost surely going to play against BA and Necrons. The two players have BA and Tau (one person) and the other guy has Necrons and Eldar. One friend just got his BA's, so it seems like he's playing them over the Tau a lot, and the other friend is having fun with the new 'Cron dex ATM, so I'll probably play against them over the Eldar, but you never know. Also, the IG player always wants a grudge match against me when I go down there. In our two games, we drawed on the first and I won the second, so he keeps trying .

The current list I just made up is: 1851 points
Archon
Blaster
WWP
Animus Vitae
Shadowfield
Haywire

5 Trueborn
4 Blaster
Raider
Lance

TROOPS
2x 5 Warriors
Blaster
Raider
Lance

3x 5 Warriors
Blaster
Venom
Extra SC

FAST ATTACK
2x Razorwing
Lances

6 Reavers
CC x2

HEAVY
2x Ravanger
Lances

2x Talos
Chain Flails



I have a couple concerns. As many people will probably point out, the Talos probably don't fit in super well. I like them, they're tough and they'll help against any DS'ing Blood Angels out there... but are they applicable elsewhere? If i were to drop them, what would be a good replacement? (Please keep in mind that I own NO CWE models. I'm purely DE and a bit of a 'Nid collector).

I just ordered my second Razorwing, and I want to try two of them out. I figure they will be nice if I play against my buddies Ork army, who tends to go very infantry heavy or even my friends IG army (I played IG in 3rd, and they'll always be Imperial Guard to me ). I can see them still being useful versus Necrons as well, as my friend will surely take the flying Croissant (with ham) and they may be the only reasonable option I have to try and knock some HP's off of it.

Also, is the one gunboat worth it? I've always liked them, and when they work, they tend to work well. But I could drop them down to another Venom five man squad and get a shadowfield on my Archon, which may come in handy. I figured I could keep them in reserves and either DS them or come in off my board edge and rapid fire anything that's got too close **cough cough DS'ing Blood Angels**

The Scourges are pretty standard. Depending on board / deployment I'll either start them on the field or DS them. They've worked pretty well for me in all of my post new 'dex games and I tend to make a crazy amount of 6++'s lol.

The last iffy if the Blasterborn. They've always been really hit or miss for me, but I haven't used them much recently and I like the idea of of them riding around blowing stuff up, or killing high armor targets like Death Guard Oblits.

Any CC is greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Raz

Don't have time to read the rest or comment much.

Just something to consider. I don't think losing OBJsec is worth having one extra fast attack in your list. I think the points can prob be better spend elsewhere.

Besides that you have a solid list

Good catch

TBH, I generally don't run the RSR Detachment... I was just so tired that I didn't even realize I went one overboard on my FA slots lol.

I'll edit the list a bit later (after an 8 hour nap).

Thank you,
Raz

I updated the list. I took the Scourges out and the one gunboat. I added two five man Warrior units in Raiders with Blaster / Lance. I figured I could use some extra lances, bringing me up to 23.

I threw some gear on the Archon... just seemed like a fun idea. I still haven't used the Animus Vitae in a match yet.

The list is starting to look better.

Still a few things to consider for the list.

I love blaster born as they work great for me. But I tend to take two units as they work well when picking on the same target. Having a unit in a raider with a wwp/blaster archon is always fun. I'd also consider just taking 2-3 kabalite units in venoms and leave the raider at home in this list. Venoms are awesome as I am sure you know.

Your archon is definitely overkill on points. Blaster/wwp and maybe a shadowfield are good enough for him.

I love razorwings and have usually run two of them. They work amazing in pairs. Much better then having just one.

I haven't tried the new reavers, but they seem like they could be pretty good if you are smart with them. If they don't cut it for you then take haywire scourges.

As for the Talos. I love them. I often take two with splinter cannons. That's it. Cheapish and nice. If I do take an upgrade it is def the ichore injector. Fleahbane and a chance to instagib something is great.

You can avoid RSR by throwing in a HQ adn splitting your troops down the middle?