1500pts - Clowns with DE

Hi there,

I'll have one or two (friendly) games this sunday and want to try out the new clowns. I made two lists, what do think about them?

List 1:

Heroe's Path
Death Jester
Shadowseer with ML2, Mask of Secrets
Solitaire
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Cegorach's Jest
Troupe (5man) with 1 caress, 2 kiss, 1 neurodisruptor; Troupmaster with caress, disruptor and starmist rainment
Starweaver
Skyweavers (3man) with 1 glaive
Voidweaver (1model) with prismatic cannon
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DE - CAD
Succubus with glaive, armour of misery, haywire

5 warriors with blaster in venom
5 warriors with blaster in venom

5 scourges with 4 haywire blasters

triple lance ravager
triple lance ravager

Total points: 1498 if my math is correct


Second list:

Cast of players
Death Jester
Shadowseer with ML2 and mask
Troupe (6man) with 2 kisses, 1 caress, 1 disruptor, Master with caress and disruptor
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Realspace raiders detachment

Archon with agoniser, armour of misery and shadowfield

4 Mandrakes (filler )

10 warriors with blaster in raider with lance and splinterracks
5 warriors with blaster in venom
5 warriors with blaster in venom

Raider with lance, nightfield and TGL
3 reavers with caltrops
3 reavers with caltrops
5 scourges with 4 haywire blasters

triple lance ravager
triple lance ravager

total points: 1500

I would give the warrior squad in the raider a splinter cannon rather than a blaster, to get the most out of the splinter racks upgrade.

About the gunboat, personally I made the experience, when you deepstrike the boat, a cannon isn't that good at all, as most of the time it's just one more shot (warriors aren't relentless, even in a transport). And because most of the time, the raider doesn't live long enough to see 3 shooting phases, I'd like AI weapon too. Granted it doesn't benefit from the racks, but I can live with that when I get another option for the squad.

I have to rework the first list, as it looks like the succubus doesn't benefit from the formation rules

I really want to use the two harlie formations and use the DE as a source for AT and AA. Well at least for friendly games. For a more competitive aproach I would probably use the second list in one or another incarnation. Cast of Players seems quite useable for us DE.

I tinkered a bit with the first list, as I really want to field more than one clown unit to see that they are capable of And I absolutely want to see the solitaire in action

Heroe's Path

Death Jester - 60

Solitaire - 145

Shadowseer, ML2, Mask of Secrets - 100

Cegorach's Jest

Troupe (5) - 1 Neurodisruptor, 2 Kisses, 1 Caress, Master with Neuro, caress, HWG, Starmist Raiment; Starweaver - 241

Skyweavers (2) - 1 glaive - 110

Voidweaver (1) - prismatic cannon - 80

DE - CAD

Succubus - glaive, HWG, WWP, armour of misery - 150

Warriors (5) - blaster, venom - 120
Warriors (5) - blaster, venom - 120

Scourges (4) - 4 heatlances - 120

Ravager - 3 lances - 125
Ravager - 3 lances - 125

Total: 1496


Troupemaster is WL, I really like the "Light" table, I think that it fits my playstyle the most. I know it's risky without reroll, but ... no risk, no fun, right?
If the Succubus benefits from the formation rule, she can choose to go either with the troupe, or deepstrike with the scourges, if I really need to kill that LR, and fast. So she's a bit expensive, but multipurpose (pinning test with -2LD seems good too, I think )

The list is light on AA, but with those two armies, the only air defense are the DE flyers, for which I don't have the points to spare. If I really face flyers, unless spammed, I hope that the shuriken cannons and lances are enough to send them crashing down.

What do you guys think?