New eldar

Hello Commorragh!

As you have all heard(or read) Our kin are getting some new toys.

toys that include scatter lasers on every bike for 10 points. Now I think our bikes can take them on, with a bit of a well placed deployment and the help of a real space raider detachment, it can be very possible to make them regret to ever think they have a chance.

What do you guys think?

10ppm upgrade on the bikes for a Scatter laser or Shurikan cannon is definitely something I'm concerned about. That said, I'm just as concerned (more so) about the huge changes to Wraith units and the WraithKnight turning into a GC.

However, not having the codex yet makes me want to try hard and not pass judgment nor speculate too much.

You'd need a *lot* of bike units - since theirs can blow ours out of the water from 36" away, and still make use of their 2d6" assault jump.

I certainly don't see many pure DE lists beating windrider spam unless they specifically tailor against it.

Possibly our best option is to take as many eldar allies as possible, and accept that our lists will be a little handicapped by including some dark eldar.

At least Scatter Lasers are losing Laser Lock.

The best answer to eldar is to shake their hands and say congrats GW loves you more.

Bleaksoul Brethren wrote:

The best answer to eldar is to shake their hands and say congrats GW loves you more.

They are going to be murderously good, no doubt. Where are their weaknesses?
Leadership is 8, kind of average. No sergeant upgrades were possible in the eldar codex before. We "could" scare them with artefacts.
When they jink their efficiency will be hurt. They do not have an inherent Hit and Run mechanic in assault. They do not have a fancy, enhanced HoW attack and they hit once at S3 when assaulted. With the loss of twin-linked catapults, their overwatch is less accurate.
They are likely to jump shoot jump over LOS blocking terrain and will try to avoid being in it due to lack of skilled rider.
DE need to get behind them. A deep striking sacrificial dissie ravager and venom combo could do the trick. Eldar lack Interceptor units.
Due to the price of fielding such an eldar list, the jetbikes become elite like in points cost and will not appreciate being asked to make lots of saves. A more expensive unit to field logically means there will be less of the bastards. To counter that, I'll use a heap of things for them to shoot at by fielding units that average <140 points.
I guess I would be preying on failed leadership checks to break their ability to zip around and stitch up a game. It'll be hard, Eldar get a lot more of the neat stuff.

Windriders just become high target priority. Your opponent will have units that you can safely ignore until the Windriders are gone.

We can make the Archangel of pain bomb, a Archon with WWP and archangel with Archon and Armor of misery drop -4 ld psuedo psychic shriek for a turn. If they are all bunched up that would be a sure way to remove basically anything that is close enough.

Bleaksoul Brethren wrote:

The best answer to eldar is to shake their hands and say congrats GW loves you more.

Sad but true.

If the leaks are true my DE feel even more like Ralph Wiggum to the eldar's Chuck Norris.

So dark reapers can ignore cover saves. I'm Afraid of this new codex. I believed gw was going to turn a new page on balancing codexes but it seems I was wrong. I should not be surprised. I actually feel sorry for eldar players. Who wants to play an auto win army. There is no skill in it. My brother plays eldar and he is very disappointed with the new codex. I usually go with flow when gw comes out with stuff and adapt but I don't know about this one. This will be  tough army to beat. Hopefullyl this forum will come up with some good ideas.

I play them, and I'm super excited.

pehldog63 wrote:

So dark reapers can ignore cover saves. I'm Afraid of this new codex. I believed gw was going to turn a new page on balancing codexes but it seems I was wrong. I should not be surprised. I actually feel sorry for eldar players. Who wants to play an auto win army. There is no skill in it. My brother plays eldar and he is very disappointed with the new codex. I usually go with flow when gw comes out with stuff and adapt but I don't know about this one. This will be  tough army to beat. Hopefullyl this forum will come up with some good ideas.

Anyone that is a d*** at a tournament. I know several people who just want to win and hop from best codex to best codex in hopes of winning it all.

Painjunky wrote:

If the leaks are true my DE feel even more like Ralph Wiggum to the eldar's Chuck Norris.

I think this is a very accurate quote.

IMO DE has a MUCH better chance against New Eldar Meta than old... at least Shields are once per game now instead of 60" S7 Ignore cover every turn.... DE couldnt live against that.

Now we have a chance, its still an uphill battle for sure.. but only a 60 degree hill instead of a 89 degree hill

That's a good point. Wave Serpents are no longer such a threat, and most people will probably be fielding all the shiny new jetbikes and Wraithknights. The cure against former is poison, the cure against latter is lances. The buffed aspect warriors mean the same thing - they are more attractive to be fielded, and thus are ripe for reaping with splinter shots. There's less incentive to mechanize, more incentive to spam infantry and bikes.

Sure the WS won't murder our vehicles anymore... but the 40 S6 shots from a 270 pts units will do it just as well. And they are harder then a WS for us to remove...

Deamon wrote:

Sure the WS won't murder our vehicles anymore...  but the 40 S6 shots from a 270 pts units will do it just as well.  And they are harder then a WS for us to remove...

One Psychic Shriek in a Covens list will fix their little red wagon but good. I think Freakshow lists are going to do just fine against Windriders.

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One Psychic Shriek in a Covens list will fix their little red wagon but good.

Could not find a single psyker in our codex.
And if you ally, you can run windriders yourself as well.

Attack them. Wyches might be useful again. Assault such a big unit with two small units of our girls and is done. And we still can make use of the venom or raider they assaulted from. He can only kill one unit with overwatch.

Jimsolo wrote:

Deamon wrote:

Sure the WS won't murder our vehicles anymore...  but the 40 S6 shots from a 270 pts units will do it just as well.  And they are harder then a WS for us to remove...

One Psychic Shriek in a Covens list will fix their little red wagon but good.  I think Freakshow lists are going to do just fine against Windriders.

You better hope they don't mix some of these D weapons because your talos are going to get trashed good.

The Bikes arnt the Problem.. its the Bikes with Wraith knights and WraithGuard D-flamers ....

Remember Wraithknights are GMC now, that means 12" move, Stomps, FnP and all the other Special rules, like Poison only wounds on 6.

Imagine 2 Of those with 3-4 units of Bikes and some Wraithguard.... Add the Pipe line Now wraithguard flamers are Torrent within their DZ.

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Add the Pipe line Now wraithguard flamers are Torrent within their DZ.

They are not as the Pipeline clearly mentions "Flamer Weapons" as described in the BRB.
The Scythe is a template weapon but no flamer weapon.

Klaivex Charondyr wrote:

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Add the Pipe line Now wraithguard flamers are Torrent within their DZ.

They are not as the Pipeline clearly mentions "Flamer Weapons" as described in the BRB.
The Scythe is a template weapon but no flamer weapon.

You are correct, sry just an over sight.

I would not be surprised if the ban eldar from ITC.