1650 tournament list... hard

Hi all,

I'm usually pretty relaxed about playing local tournaments and bring pure DE, with pretty reasonable results most of the time. However, this time around a friend of mine has well and truly thrown down the gauntlet so I am looking for advice on a 1650 list that is as hard and lean as possible. Below are two lists I'm working with at the moment, one is a CAD for objective secured, the other uses the 5 FA DE list. Missions will mostly be modified maelstrom rules (lots of objective stuff) so I've stacked up on troops. The alternative I've been musing over is taking an Autarch with shard and some Eldar goodies to run with grots and help with razorwing and scourge timings. Any recommendations in that regard? Most of my opponents are likely to be MEQ, as is typical.

List #1

HQ/Elites
Succubus, WWP, Glaive
Grotesques X 4, Aberration
Raider, Lance

Troops
Warriors X 5
Venom, Splinter cannons
(three of these)

Warriors X 5, Blaster
Raider, Lance
(three of these)

Fast Attack
Razorwing, Lances
(two of these)

Scourges X 5, Haywire blasters X 4

Heavy Support
Ravager, Lances
(Two of these)
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List # 2

HQ
Llamean

Troops
Warriors X 5
Venom, Splinter cannons
(three of these)

Warriors X 5, Blaster
Raider, Lance
(three of these)

Fast Attack
Razorwing, Lances
(two of these)

Scourges X 5, Haywire blasters X 4

Reavers X6, caltrops X2
(two of these)

Heavy Support
Ravager, Lances
(Two of these)

13 points to spare

Thanks!

Lost one needs more AT. Lords of war would eat that up

Allies:

Farseer on a jebike
squad of eldar bikes

Wraithguard. (either stick these in a raider, or with a wwp HQ).

You will now be able to deal with any AT/LOW that shows up. Love me some D weapons.

Fair points, so drop the Grot bomb and replace with some D weapons is the go?

I like the grots and succubus combo. Maybe drop a unit or two of warriors and possibly a razor wing

Interesting, I'll have a play around this evening and see if I can squeeze them both in. I'm already uncomfortable having one unit >200 points on the table, let alone two.

Thanks for the feedback!

Curious, are lords of war really that unmanageable with 16 darklight weapons and 4 x haywire blasters? I don't play against them often.

Wraith knights and storm surge would be tough since they are creatures not armor

Okay, based on your suggestions I've changed the list up to this:

HQ
Llamean
Raider (for wraithguard)

Elites

Grotesque x 3
Raider (Lance)

Troops

Warriors x 5
Venom (cannon)

Warriors x 5
Venom (cannon)

Warriors x 5
Raider (lance)

Warriors x 5
Raider (lance)

Fast Attack

Razorwing (Lances)

Scourge (Blasters)

Scourge (Haywire blasters)

Heavy Support

Ravager (Lances)

Ravager (Lances)

Allies

Autarch
Shard of Anaris (rides with grots)

Jetbikes x 3

Wraithguard x 5 (Scythes)

I usually hate having any expensive units ever and rarely leave home with less that 6 troops above 1500 points so this is going to be pretty different. Any other comments or advice?

Thanks!

Looks pretty darn solid too me at least

I wonder if some warp spiders might do the job of the wraithguard without having a huge target on their backs? If I took 10 warp spiders instead I might be able to squeeze in another unit.

Thoughts?

Wraithguard cannot deploy in to the Lhameans Dedicated Raider. that needs to be bought from Fast slot. Warp Spiders are more versatile unit than WG. And they are fast to move around.

Quote :

Wraithguard cannot deploy in to the Lhameans Dedicated Raider.

Can they not just deploy next to the empty raider and load up first turn?

I might swap to Warp Spiders after all.

edit: just did the math, 10 warp spiders do about 4.5 wounds to a wraith knight in a turn of shooting, or 3.7 wounds with the shattershield. Not bad for 80 less points, 5 more bodies and arguably more versatility.

Dracon Bob wrote:

Quote :

Wraithguard cannot deploy in to the Lhameans Dedicated Raider.

Can they not just deploy next to the empty raider and load up first turn?

I might swap to Warp Spiders after all.

edit: just did the math, 10 warp spiders do about 4.5 wounds to a wraith knight in a turn of shooting, or 3.7 wounds with the shattershield. Not bad for 80 less points, 5 more bodies and arguably more versatility.

Yes you can, but then you miss the opportunity to deepstrike and your opponent doesn't have to prepare for that.

WK are always in cover so 3.7 is what counts. There is a big varience though.