My last time playing DE in a tournament?

from the Force Org chart, you must have 1 HQ.

Wouldn't the Haems cover that for you?

but the Haemonculus are HQs, You don't need an Archon to satisfy an HQ requirement. Or did I mis something?

EDIT: Ninja'd!

Of course, doh!

Must not make posts when half asleep.

I must agree overall and have to say KP are ridiculous. 10 guardsmen as are valuable an asset as 10 space marines or even 10 terminators?? VP is the better way to do it and that's what my group uses in anhillation missions as KP are really silly.

testing this tonight, if it works well I'll be running it at the tournament and saving myself much painting of spacemarines:

HQ 2X Haemonculi (barebones)

Troops
8x Wych, inc Hekatrix with Agonizer and Haywires in Raider + FF
8x Wych, inc Hekatrix with Agonizer and Haywires in Raider + FF
5x Warrior + Blaster in Venom + SC
5x Warrior + Blaster in Raider + FF
5x Warrior + Blaster in Raider + FF
5x Warrior + Blaster in Raider (Dissie) + FF

Elites
4x Trueborn + Blasters in Venom + SC
4x Trueborn + Blasters in Venom + SC

Heavy Support
Ravager (DL) + FF
Ravager (DL) + FF
Razorwing + SC + FF

I like the build. Quick thought is shave off a Blasterborn from each squad (I usually find 3 do as well as 4) and the points will allow you to make your Haems a threat even after the Wyches leave (and could possibly allow you to not feel a need for the Dissie on the Raider).

You're doing Dissies or Lances on the Razorwing?

Play one and a half games on Friday -

Against a drop-pod dreadnought list (didn't expect to play FW rules) I got slaughtered.

then against mech BA (Only played a few turns before store closing time) I was being given a kicking.

My dice weren't very good all night, and I found i had too many models for the table space, oh and both games were Anhiliation and so giving out 21 kp is no help.

@Thor, yes I may drop to 3 man squads, I never kill anything with blasters, so 4 is a point sink. The dissies on the Raider are for WYSIWYG, the model has them.

The Razorwing had dissies too, (magnetised) which was pretty useless against the dreads, but would have probably been better against the marines but it never got to fire (turn 3 arrival).

Against a drop-pod dreadnought list (didn't expect to play FW rules) I got slaughtered.

^ This doesn't sound right..."errr, can we use FW rules?" Sure... "hey, full podded army, you know, drop, get out, assault"...

Suggestion to lower your KP... give the haem a WWP and put the warrior in the trueborn venoms.

Thay way, you shave some points, lower the KP and offer less targets to be shot at.

And when the trueborns come out of the portals... you chose what to hunt and haven't been shot at

I know its terribly explained... hopefully the idea gets accross hehe

Good Hunting!

Except in a club that you regularly attend you look a complete ass if you say no to FW! I had hoped to play against lists for the tournament I'm attending this weekend, but it wasn't the case.

Not sure on Trueborn out of portals. DE on foot get massacred in my experience..every pintle stormbolter on the rhinos/stubber on the chimeras fires at them and they then usually fail moral and run.

I understand what you mean SirTainly

I'll test the WWP trueborns this weekend and let you know how it went!

Reading this thread is rather depressing....

I am looking at getting into Dark Eldar and seeing how rough these games can be is getting a little depressing.

Can we start a thread about how many games the Dark Eldar win???

Isn't that every post I make?

Thor665 wrote:

Isn't that every post I make?

Very true....

When I saw the Space Marine Megaforce, I was tempted to refound my SM Army and build it up. With the Megaforce, I'd have @ 4000 pts. Then when I saw the trouble people are having I became a little disheartened.

I like the look of the Dark Eldar and I just hope that I can get the feel for the army's tactics without becoming disillusioned.

Several Christmases ago I bought a bunch of Ork minis to "try something new" and they have sat almost untouched since. I just don't want that to happen again. I cannot see my wife being that forgiving. :-(

Dear Archon! Don't let this thread let you down. While Dark Eldar do have a steep learning curve they are still a very competive army. One of the top armies in tournaments right now.
I just played the van foodhammer 40k 1750 tourny in and I got 4 wins, no losses and I left with Best General I also got a 39 out of 40 for sportsmenship so I know I wasn't a jerk either Even in kp missions I was able to come through with a solid win. My army has 19 killpoints and I tend to not have many problems. I just play more cautious and reserve my army in most kp games. 2 turns of getting shot less is great!
the most kp someone got agaist me was only 6 maybe 7 through the tourny. One game a player only got 2 agaisnt me (a very fun opponent).
Learn the army, take plenty of darklight weapons and poison and you will do fine.


Dear everybody!
This is a great tactics thread from dakkadakka on using dark eldar. Read dashofpeppers guid to winning and Ketara's articles. Go to dakkadakke, click on articals, then tactics or 40k tactics the dark eldar tactica.

Harsh, I don't even get a nod.
I'll go cry in a corner now.

Hi Colin, congrats on your victory. I was there too and got 2 wins which as you can see from the thread is quite unusual. I have to save I think the missions we played were excellent, and didn't punish the DE as missions at other tournaments have...I definitely will, attend any other tournaments Chris et al put on. I did feel that many of the guys at Foodhammer were more 'for fun' players which was good too, as the armies were definitely not as hard as usual (Larry's grey knights being an exception). For instance we had Daemons and Nids and no Orks at all, which really helps.

Thor665 wrote:

Harsh, I don't even get a nod.
I'll go cry in a corner now.

Don't worry Thor, the tactics and other advice we get here from you and others here easily matches any you can find elsewhere. Putting it all into practice is what trips me up.

I was also at Foodhammer this weekend, but didn't manage any wins. I was, in fact, Colin's first victim (congrats BTW Colin on Best General). I had a great time playing his DE, some Necrons, CWE and Raven Guard. I held my own fairly well I think throughout all of the games, until the last turn when circumstance and lack of experience tended to work against me.

None of the four DE armies present were uncompetitive at all.

Dear Thor! Sorry if I offended you in anyway. I haven't read any of your tactic stuff and I wasn't counting thread advice. Just actual written tactical articles. The 2 dakka guys articles that I Mentioned are just very well written and talk more on the army's synergy and the mindset about how to use dark eldar. As well a good tips on how to play and the usual breakdown of units.
I find that Most ppl just post what individual units can take, and what they are good at. Ie. Blaster born for blasting stuff and incubi for killing marines ect.. I don't agree with everything in the dakka articles, but i believe that the articles these guys wrote can be a big help for someone struggling with dark eldar or for someone simply trying to improve there game.
Once again sorry if I offended you! Give the articles a read and let me know what you think

have a nice day and good luck to all of you fellow Dark Eldar guys!

Oh, I'm familiar with their articles. Heck, some of the stuff they discuss was cribbed from my original DE Tactica article - I even give them shout outs in my current DE Tactica in the links section, because I do think their stuff is worth reading.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dark_Eldar_Tactica_Part_1

Here, you can check it out too, since you are clearly a fan of tacticas and apparently haven't seen it.

No honest offense taken except to my pride - which probably needs a few holes on a regular schedule anyway.

Thanks Thor! I'll give it a read sometime this week. For now I have a midterm to study for....guh!

I played in a tournament like two weeks back as a ringer, and actually kicked enough ass to earn myself 4th place if I were to play for real (and earn some grudging respect from some of the players despite my status as a ringer). Tabled two out of three opponents, with the only loss is because I let him have his turn (longfang-razorspam Space Wolves actually begging me to finish his turn is quite the treat). Or else I would have two win and a tie.

DE can and will kick ass, but your list will need to have several evil tricks up their sleeves. Like Thor suggested, you needed that Mech Alpha strike, or at least a Mech Beta strike. With the prevalence of mech these days, you might as well punish them for taking those vehicles. You will also somehow need to find the solution in busting Psyriflemen/ Riflemen/ Hydras quickly and messily to get by some of the tourney builds these days. I am incorporating heat lances to do just that these days.

It was sad that the tourney you went through is a KP-based one, as KP is our archilles' heel. The best way to go about KP for us is to just do not give a damn about it, and just try to table your opponent. At least that is the approach I tend to take whenever I play these days no matter the objective, as everything is as tough as nails these days. I will only take objectives only as a sneaky secondary option or to get a phyrric tie.

Here is a fun fact:

In my last tournament I faced GK, Crons and GK. Win (tabled), lose (almost tabled), lose (quite close).

The fun thing? I wiped out GK at anihilation!!!

So there you go... if you want to have no problems with KP, just table your opponent

Tanhausen wrote:

Here is a fun fact:

So there you go... if you want to have no problems with KP, just table your opponent

Personally, I never really think about anything else when it comes to playing Dark Eldar. In a screwed-up version of the Tau philosophy of war; IF every enemy is dead, the ground and slaves are for the taking.

I guess that's why these days I have a rather high rate of killing everything on the table, or else I would be the dead one (or dying for that matter).

Tanhausen wrote:

The fun thing? I wiped out GK at anihilation!!!

It's quite doable. A friend of mine is a dyed in the wool GK player, he didn't hop on the 'shiny new toys' band wagon with the last codex - he persevered with them through 5th since the last coex (way back in time) so he's a fairly good authority figure on knowing their weaknesses.

His main advice verbatum was '.....yeah, they're great but just shoot them and they fall over'. I played them and loaded up with dissies, bucket loads of shots, blasters, etc, etc and he was right. They just fall over, and each GK model is a pointy loss!