Eldar Corsairs :Princess of Profane power

So, this is a start up list for my corsairs. It's a list I hope to extend to 1850, but, I'm going to start with a thousand, play, and then grow from there.

My goal? To work this Profane Powers trait straight to victory. In short, I want to make a roving band of Warlock Pirates. SpoooOoooOOooooky! Prepare for the Skeleton Deamon war!


Command Cortie

1xCorsair Princess - Profane Powers
Jet Bike
Fusion pistol
Balelight
Shadowfield
Void saber
Wild Psyker level 2

1x Void dreamer , level 3 pysker
Shadowfield
Jetpack


Primary Coterie - Titan hunters
1xBaron / cloud dancer
Shimmer-shield
Psyker level 1

3 units of Cloud dancers x 3
Dark lances


3 Hornets with 2 pulse lasers - Sky burners



That's what I'm thinking of a starting point...

You know, thinking about what we were talking about with this, it might be more effective to go with collector of ancient treasures so you can get fearless from an item to use when summoning daemons with the prince and void dreamer. Otherwise, you'll almost definitely want to ally in something to give you fearless.

Alternatively, you can take a corsair Malevolents Band, and stick your psykers in the unit with them to benefit from their fearless rule.

The profane powers is what lets me have the ability to take Malefic deamon summoning. What I can do is cut down on the void dreamer, since, it has to take on power from the aethermancy and it won't help me with my goals really, and replace it with a baron or just drop the extra hq all together and get a band of malevolents and have the princess join them or a baron and join them.

Don't forget you still need a HQ for your Sky Burners so replacing the Void Dreamer with a Baron fills that slot but dropping it and not replacing it would still leave that slot needing to be filled.

Korazell wrote:

The profane powers is what lets me have the ability to take Malefic deamon summoning.

No, actually, the basic 40k rulebook gives ALL psykers permission to take both sanctic and malefic daemonology unless it specifically states otherwise. So you can take sanctic or malefic daemonology without taking the profane powers specialization. As I said before, one of those 3 options is probably your best bet.

Betray, unless I'm wrong which I probably am in the coded it only says I can take powers from divination and telepathy. Profane gives me access as f far as I understand

Under Prince it states Psyker "A corsair prince who is upgraded to a Psyker may select powers from Divination or Telekinesis Disciplines."

Like Korazell I took that to mean that those were the disciplines they were limited to unless taking Profane.

Yeah so I think I need the profane power to have access to demons

The main rulebook gives ALL PSYKERS access to both sanctic and malefic daemonology IN ADDITION to whatever it says they get in their codex entry. It's in the main rulebook.

Here is the quote copied and pasted from the rulebook:

Rulebook wrote:

THE DISCIPLINE OF DAEMONOLOGY
Unless otherwise stated, all Psykers, other than those belonging to the
Tyranids Faction, can generate powers from the Daemonology discipline. The
Daemonology discipline has not one, but two different sets of powers, one labelled
‘Sanctic’ and one labelled ‘Malefic’. Each time a Psyker generates a power from the
Daemonology discipline he can choose to generate it from either the Sanctic or Malefic
set of powers. For the purposes of Psychic Focus, the Sanctic and Malefic sets of powers
are different psychic disciplines.

Not saying they can isn't "specifically saying they can't". They don't NEED to list daemonology under their available disciplines because daemonology is available to all psykers by default.

Wait...I'm so confused. I think the wild psyker rules overrule that. Otherwise the Profane powers would do nothing

Not really because Profane powers forces you to take at least 1 of the Malific powers and alters the Wild Psyker's mishap chart.

Profane powers gives him an extra psyker level for free, but makes him HAVE to take malefic daemonology.

And the wild psyker rule specifically says you still follow all normal rules for psykers, and you're also considered to have the psyker special rule, but that you use the alternate perils chart instead. I just double-checked it.

Yeah but it also states in the second half it allows access for your other psykers to that tree

Hm...I'll have to look again.

Under the profane powers entry, it does say that other psykers in your detachment may also take powers from the malefic discipline, which would seem to be redundant since they're all given permission to do so anyhow. But when you think more about it, void dreamers are told they HAVE to take 1 level of their aethermancy discipline. If you only take a level 1 void dreamer, it's possible that the profane powers entry was meant to override that requirement that you MUST pick 1 from aethermancy on a level 1 void dreamer.

Hm...I'm not sure what the best set up for a list is then...this is good news but also strange news...

I thought everyone already knew all psykers had all daemonology. It was pretty big news when 7th edition first came out. That's what caused the Eldar daemon summoning and such.

In the latest Eldar codex, it specifies "Daemonology(Sanctic)" on their available list. Technically speaking, this doesn't sufficiently take away their ability to take malefic daemonology, but because intent seems fairly clear, it's not worth the argument most of the time.

I'm more of a hobbyist at this point than player sadly. Hm...I'm not sure how to do my list now.

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Follow the intent of the rule - as betray says, nothing stops eldar taking malefic by strict RAW however the fact their lores (much like harlequins for that matter) specify only sanctic then we the players use common sense and don't use malefic for these 2 factions.

I would argue the intent here is just as clear - we are told what they can use - full stop.

I have always feared the perils table... it is just brutal.

It it's brutal, but, fun can be had!

So, going through this, I found out that I can take ancient treasures and get The spirit stone, which allows me to reduce casting by a dice, which really makes a huge difference in the perils. Sticking the princess in with a group of malovents gives me fearless, too....

I drop the Void dreamer to a baron with shimmershield and a jetbike, and, that's really about it....

Massaen wrote:

I would argue the intent here is just as clear - we are told what they can use - full stop.

This absolutely isn't true. The core rulebook specifies ALL psykers get it unless they specifically SAY otherwise.

It's not just corsairs that this is true for, and every tournament will allow it, because that's what the rule is. There are other factions that just "don't say one way or another" too, and they're able to use daemonology. When GW first wrote the rule in the rulebook, the default was for every codex at the time NOT to say either way, which meant that they had access to daemonology by default. Nothing has changed that. People are confused just because more recent codices have been listing daemonology redundantly.

But there are still examples of codices that existed prior to the 7th edition rulebook, and so none of those list daemonology one way or the other, and they're all considered to be allowed to take it as an option, even though it doesn't say it. Inquisition, Astra Militarum, Chaos Daemons, CSM, Sisters of battle(maybe - can't recall release date)...they all get access even though their codex doesn't say so.

And yet the 7th ed ones (all of those either have zero psykers or are 6th ed) specify daemonology...

The BA dex for example specifically lists dameonology for their librarians without a caveat at all while the elder and harlequins list Daemonology (sanctic) in their list of disciplines available.

The Intent in context is crystal clear using current ed codex

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Psychic_101#Daemonology

This seems to agree that we get access to both trees in 7th....