A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins

benmannen6 wrote:

Has anyone seen any of the other stats? Are all named Troupe Masters stats the same as from the Codex?

Everything else remains the same, except one of the two troop choices does not have the additional WS for the upgrade I believe.

770 pts for this formation? Is basically a good core to my DE. Now just add DE shooting and win games as the oponent shoots the poor harlies to death as your DE score.

The death watch flyer looks like a stormraven had sex with a sea turtle - and the stormraven was already pretty hideous to begin with (not to mention completely un-aerodynamic).

I wish GW could manage an army with both current, aesthetically pleasing models and decent rules.  Craftworlders are about as close as they've got but like half of that line is painfully dated.

I think I stopped fielding fire dragons etc just because their hands are as big as their heads... and it bugs me.

You find Craftworld models aesthetically pleasing? Those walkers look like eggs that have legs attatched to them! The Wraithknight looks goofy as hell - like one of those no-name toy robots made in China or a Power Ranger reject. The Wave Serpents would be decent if it weren't for those six little cannons on the front that looks like the designers desperately tried to put more guns onto the model etc. Well, to each their own I guess.

How about the Adeptus Mechanicus? They have awesome looking models and strong rules.

I have to agree on the flier. The Stormraven and Stormtalon are literally boxes with wings attached to them. But the Stormhawk Interceptor was a move in the right direction.

Edit: Also it is not true that people aren't still hating on AoS for the reason of hating on it. Look at the new AoS bat reps that MWG post on youtube. They get thumbs down along with comments like "zzzzzz so boring kids game age of sh*tmar is still as sh*t as it was when it came out" etc. I don't even know why those people deliberately click on those videos only to sh*ttalk them. :/

I like the Eldar Aesthetic. DE Aesthetic is awesome too. They just need the rules now.

Another warseer refugee here...


I've seen all of these pictures of the datasheets and rules for the formations, but I have seen nothing so far about the most important part of Death Masque: the story!

Has anyone actually heard anything about what happens?

There is some Crystaline moon which is the location. Eldrad taped into infinity circuit for all the power of the dead eldar and tries to awaken Ynnead, eldar new god of the dead, and utterly defeat Slaanesh.

Deathwatch heard there is some xenos to kill. Probably ritual of awakening Ynnead has some minor side effects like cleansing couple of hundeds nearby mon-keigh words of life.

Well, yeah, that much can be gathered from the product descriptions :p I'm more curious about whether or not Eldred succeeds.

I got the feeling it will be open ended. Like Gates of Khaine, Tyranids on Baal, Golden trone having non-repairable malfunctions...etc. I ordred the box, as soon as i receive il post whats in there.

I'm... not so sure. Things may be different, this time. GW has made it abundantly clear in their previous news post that Death Masque is meant to actually move the narrative forward.

Im rather interested if they retconned Eldrads death. And at what time those events take place.
Oh and i probably will have 2 Eldrads minis now...dont know why i need 2

They've absolutely retconned it solely by virtue of our current place in relation to the 3rd edition timeline.

He may eventually die exactly the same way, but none of this has ever happened before.

As for this being something that moves the narrative forward, I'm even less sure about that. More that it prepares to move the story forward. The rumoured 2017 campaigns will actually move the narrative forward.

Death Masque is a small small piece of the future.

Well, since the 13th Black Crusade has not yet been fought in the current setting, Eldrad is currently still alive. Whether or not that will change when they revisit the 13th Black Crusade (to reflect the Eye of Terror campaign), that remains to be seen.

However, current lore from the harlequin and craftworld Eldar codicies states that Ahriman has already breached and been repelled from the Webway, and Maugan'Ra has already brought Craftworld Altansar out of the Eye of Terror... so it seems GW has retconned everything they wanted to keep from the Eye of Terror campaign to occur before it begins.

<edit:> what he said.

Both Harlequins and Eldrad in one place is a powerfull symbol - both only participate in major events, both posses unique perspective.

Do you remember old fluff that ritual that Harlequins suffer when they become one involves possessing of the demon and getting free of such posession? After that they said to understand other realm on a new level.

Surely the events of this campaign has defeat of Chaos as a goal.

amorrowlyday wrote:

Death Masque is a small small piece of the future.

Oddly, this image was first posted on the 40k Facebook page, but has since been taken down?

I agree that the grim darkness is getting darker, but I think it might just be moving more towards 'seconds to midnight' rather than 'minutes to midnight' if you know what i mean. They're lining things up, but I don't think they will progress anything soon.

Also, wasn't Eldrad's death considered retconned since the 6th ed Eldar codex? He was said to be in his waning years and turning into crystal, or something like that. I think it would be interesting if they popped the 13th black crusade on again later on in the timeline, but I won't hold out for it.

Welcome to TDC, by the way.

Cavash wrote:

Welcome to TDC, by the way.

Thank you!

At any rate, for all the good that speculation does me I was just hoping that someone had concrete info in the narrative content of Death Masque beyond what the advertisements have said :p

So I saw the stats to he Death Masque units and decided to do some math. If I were to buy a troupe kitted out as a Death's Company, it would cost 148 points (to the Death's Company 135 points); however, they wouldn't have the special rule but they would have a troupe master who is superior to the Dusk who is a player with one more wound.

The Company of the Three Fold Stranger has a proper Troupe Master, gains the special rule and costs 155 points where as a troupe kitted out the same would be 160 points.

Of course either the Death's Company nor the Three Fold Stranger can take a dedicated transport.

Even discounted, the loadouts are so bad I don't see a reason to take them

Same here, I can't see myself using either Troop, since I've always found them to work better when dubling down on their shooty or close combat attacks.

stevethedestroyeofworlds wrote:

Even discounted, the loadouts are so bad I don't see a reason to take them

Very much this. The only thing worth taking for the 'Quins in Death Masque is the Death Jester. Compare that to the absolutely amazing selection of units, wargear and formations that Deathwatch gets and it really makes me sick. If you're dead set on making Marines be the absolute best at absolutely everything, at least make them cost the appropriate amount of points for it!!

The funny things is I'm seeing complaints on other forums saying that Deathwatch is over priced point wise and that they need more free equipment and lower prices on gear (I'll note this is actually only a few people not entire communities).

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The funny things is I'm seeing complaints on other forums saying that Deathwatch is over priced point wise and that they need more free equipment and low prices on gear (I'll note this is actually only a few people note really entire communities).

People love to complain. I sometimes get the feeling that any unit that hasn't Decurion-Level rules is seem as underpowered or too expensive. But such is the nature of the game, since the strongest codices dictate how high the bar is for anything to be considered good or competitive.

People just like to complain.

At 22 points a man your basic deathwatch veteran is the same price as a sternguard veteran with the same gear and better options (plus the stalker bolter/deathwatch shotgun/frag cannon).  However the deathwatch veteran is a troop choice and therefore gains objective secured for free in a CAD - which is something people used to pay a character tax to do.

Dreadnoughts and terminators are the same price as in other codices with the latter packing a better punch per man as they can each carry a heavy weapon and/or a melta gun built into the power fist. You'll likely only see people field the special venerable that comes with a 5++ for 10 extra points as well.

Bikers are the only thing they could potentially complain about at 30 points.  At that price point though they get - special ammo on the twin linked bolters, skilled rider, and a veteran's statline (+1A and LD).  They can each take a power weapon for 5 points each as well, which if you take makes their base cost more like 20 points per.

Death watch will be potent in the right hands, even without over the top formations.

I've been eyeing up the Harlequins for a while but fate has kept me from sealing the deal to get them 2nd hand on 2 prior occasions. Third time is a charm! Found a dude that wants the marines and will go halves on a box.
People locally give up on Harlequins because of their fragility. Playing DE, we are all used to being fragile. I think an Eternal Warrior Eldrad can psychically buff this formation to do some cool stuff.
I thought in the 5th ed codex, Harlequins could flip belt 12", though. Seems that rule has changed.