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BetrayTheWorld Trueborn
Posts : 2665 Join date : 2013-04-04
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Sun Jan 15 2017, 02:42 | |
| - BizarreShowbiz wrote:
- Count Adhemar wrote:
- Imateria wrote:
- I very much hope that if Sylendri is getting rules she will be ML3, with Gyrinx giving her a once per turn re-roll or something.
I don't care if she's ML1 with no powers as long as she's a Harlequin HQ choice! Would you realle use a harlequin CAD anyways? I wouldnt. Losing in crescendo its huge for a harlequin army. Yeah, there are lots of reasons to use a CAD, or even allied detachment for harlies. It would make the leadership bomb using harlies, eldar, and DE far easier to pull off without committing to buying a zillion harlequin units that don't fit the list you're trying to build. | |
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stevethedestroyeofworlds Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 171 Join date : 2016-05-22
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Sun Jan 15 2017, 04:54 | |
| 1 Harlequin HQ 1 Shadowseer ML2 with Mask 1 Troupe 1 Starweaver
Nice little Allied Freakshow detachment that can actually fit in a transport once you pair the SS with a LD bomb | |
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BizarreShowbiz Sybarite
Posts : 250 Join date : 2014-11-16
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Sun Jan 15 2017, 09:30 | |
| Or you could simply field a collector of ancient treasures Corsair prince. Detachment would be much cheaper and he is more durable and with a lot more mobility to put the bubble where you need it.
I just dont think harlequins need to be able to field CADs. Yeah, it would be nice being able to have the possibility, but what bothers me is not being able to field a masque detachment with Veilwalker, as it has no HQ slot and being forced to field a CAD if I want to include him.
In crescendo is so vital to my playstyle that I dont think I would field anything that didnt have it. | |
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Count Adhemar Dark Lord of Granbretan
Posts : 7610 Join date : 2012-04-26 Location : London
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Sun Jan 15 2017, 11:01 | |
| - BizarreShowbiz wrote:
- In crescendo is so vital to my playstyle that I dont think I would field anything that didnt have it.
Totally valid point but, as you can see from various posts above, there are many reasons why a Harlequin HQ unit is desirable. | |
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Imateria Wych
Posts : 510 Join date : 2016-02-06 Location : Birmingham
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Sun Jan 15 2017, 13:10 | |
| - BizarreShowbiz wrote:
- Count Adhemar wrote:
- Imateria wrote:
- I very much hope that if Sylendri is getting rules she will be ML3, with Gyrinx giving her a once per turn re-roll or something.
I don't care if she's ML1 with no powers as long as she's a Harlequin HQ choice! Would you realle use a harlequin CAD anyways? I wouldnt. Losing in crescendo its huge for a harlequin army. Not being constrained by their stupid Masque detachment requirements or formations would absolutely be worth the loss of Rising Crescendo. It's not like it's hard to get them into combat to start with. | |
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Jehoel Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 150 Join date : 2011-07-04 Location : Denmark
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Sun Jan 15 2017, 18:48 | |
| If Yriel is released as a "broker between the factions" as rumours suggest it would be logical if he could be used as a HQ for all the different Eldar. | |
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BetrayTheWorld Trueborn
Posts : 2665 Join date : 2013-04-04
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Sun Jan 15 2017, 19:09 | |
| - BizarreShowbiz wrote:
- Or you could simply field a collector of ancient treasures Corsair prince. Detachment would be much cheaper and he is more durable and with a lot more mobility to put the bubble where you need it.
Then the Prince has to be your warlord, per the forgeworld rules. What if you want a different warlord? He also can't be in an allied detachment. What if you want 2 leadership bombs? Also, not necessarily cheaper due to no allied detachment. We don't know the cost of the harley HQ choice yet, but assuming the Prince CAD IS cheaper, it could very well be by a trivial amount that we'd gladly pay to have more flexibility in list design. - BizarreShowbiz wrote:
- I just dont think harlequins need to be able to field CADs. Yeah, it would be nice being able to have the possibility, but what bothers me is not being able to field a masque detachment with Veilwalker, as it has no HQ slot and being forced to field a CAD if I want to include him.
In crescendo is so vital to my playstyle that I dont think I would field anything that didnt have it. It's entirely plausible that such an HQ option would be released with a variety of formation/detachment options that includes a "meta-detachment" option like the decurion, in which a masque detachment is an option for inclusion. I doubt they'd release a Harley HQ with no other supporting rules or options. | |
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BetrayTheWorld Trueborn
Posts : 2665 Join date : 2013-04-04
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 01:24 | |
| Faeit just released more rumours about the Eldar Triumverate: http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/rumors-eldar-truimvirate-box-set-vect.html They're saying it's Vect, Asurmen, and Eldrad...which makes no sense to me. We have relatively recent rules for 2 out of 3 of those. A commenter on faeit pointed out this rumour from july. Much of this has already come to pass, so there might be more information to be gleaned from this long post(in the spoiler). Highlights are mine: - July Prediction for 2017:
8th edition and New Campaign called War in the Webway 8th Edition is kicking off next year but rather than do the usual starter set and massive rulebook with 2 armies facing off they will be releasing 7 starter set army boxes which will be the seven main armies taking part in a new campaign called "War in the Webway" which will be the first of five campaigns which will move the 40k storyline forward to the "1 minute to mindnight mark". All kits in the box are plastic I am told and some will include new plastic updates which will later be released as separate kits. The Main Rule book will just be rules and each Campaign will have a "fluff" and Special rules books which will develop that campaign's storyline.
The six boxes are: 1. Kharn's Slaughterband - (New) Kharn the Betrayer, (new)Khorne Bezerkers, Bloodletters, Bloodcrushers and a Hellbrute) 2. Eldrad's Cursing Spear - ( New) Eldrad, (New) 2 Guardian squads (can be either defenders or storm guardians, (new) 5 warlocks, 2 war walkers, Fire Prism 3. Magnus' Weavers of Change- (New) Magnus Daemon Prince, (New) Prosperine Terminators, (New) Rubric Marines (ranged), Rubric Marines (Close Combat), Chaos Predator Tank 4. Iyanna's Phoenix Host - (New) Iyanna Arienal the Oracle of Ynnead, (New) Arcane Battleseer Firesight (Can also be built as standard Arcane Battleseer) (Can also be built as 10 Wraithguard/Blades,2 Wraithlords, 5 Dire Avengers 5. Ahriman's Unholy Covenant - (New) Ahriman,(New) N'kari (can also be built as standard Keeper of Secrets) (New) 2 Chaos Sorcerors, Rubric Marines, Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Daemonettes of Slaanesh, Chariot of Tzeentch 6. Sythrac's Anguish Bringer's - (New) Valossian Sythrac the Blade of Vect, (New) 5 Kabalite Trueborn, Kabalite Warriors, (New) Incubi, 2 Venoms, 1 Raider, 1 Razorwing Jetfighter 7. The Laughing Host - (New) Prince Yriel Champion of Cegorach, (New) Sylandri Veilwalker, 3 Harlequin Troupes, 2 Starweavers, (New) 1 Sentinel of the Black Library.
New Kits for the Campaign I am told that there will be other new kits coming out alongside the campaign, all kits mentioned above will also be available separately. I asked about some of the new units mentioned above and this is what I have so far:
- Prosperine Terminators = Basically Rubric Terminators but all are heavy weapon specialists with in built heavy bolters, multi melta's but also more magical weaponry too. Terminator Models which are more like the Imperial than Chaos ones but have the rubric details you would expect on them.
- Iyanna, the special character we all know and love (or hate) but she becomes very dark and sinister, shes floating on wild growing wriathbone and spirits, has a spear and staff, helmet is a cross between a Farseer and Spiritseer
- Magnus, Daemon Prince, covering in Tzeentch markings, bright red armour and a golden sythe. Described as flying with feathered wings whilst mid casting a spell. Apparently he is in the webway and basically racing Ahriman to the Black Library, they are NOT allies in any way
- Eldrad, still doing his usual thing, new plastic model is very similar to old metal one.
-N'kari, the Keeper of Secrets leading the Slaanesh Daemons in the webway, in an alliance with Ahriman, but both of them are extremely untrusting of the other and secretly have different aims. Also can be built as a normal Keeper of Secrets, multiple weapon and head options, posed as if leaping and about to strike out.
- Arcane Battleseer, similar to a Wraithknight with psychic weapons and powers. Imagine if you smashed up a wraithknight into chunks of Wraithbone then bound them back together with psychic energy energy, can be posed casting a spell, fighting or just standard. Looks extremely cool I'm told.
-Arcane Battleseer Firesight, The first Arcane Battleseer. Used to be the High Farseer of Iyanden but then died and became a Wraithseer and a close advisor to Iyanna Arienal. Was blown apart along with 2 Wraithknights after detonating an Ork Stompa. Iyanna's desperate ritual to save Firesight merged the souls of the Wraithknight Pilots and Firesight together and created a new Wraithbone body called an "Arcane Battleseer". A successful design so has begun being replicated on other craftworlds in addition to creating Wraithseers. Posed like a normal Arcane Battleseer but has a more ornate head and a special energy spear/staff.
- Valossian Sythrac, Basically is Vect's top Archon who does all of his dirty work. Posed leaping forward with a Husblade behind him and an open soul trap in an outstretched hand which has tendrils of energy leaping forward from it. Has a Golden Helmet with multiple Horns which apparently look a bit like Malekith from WHFB.
-Prince Yriel, similar to current model but cloak is now a diamond one, and stands on top of eldar architecture with spear swiping and leaving 'Green fire behind it". He now wears a mask covering the left half of his face which included his special Eye thing which has received a bit of an upgrade and now shoots a special beam. His Banners on his back are gone and replacing with long hair blowing in the wind.
-Kharn the Betrayer, a lot like the current model but more dynamic and posed as though lashing out at an enemy.
-Sylandri Veilwalker, Special Shadowseer, floating on mist which also covers half her character. Has a curved semi circle blade in one hand and a staff in the other.
- Sentinel of the Black Library. Wraithlord sized figure with a long spear held by both hands. Cloaked in a long black and white chequered robe and has a mirror mask for its face which is mostly hidden by a hood.
Future Campaigns There are apparently 4 more campaign book series' (each with their own army starte sets and new releases). Campaign 2 Is Eye of Terror area Chaos invasion (Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Astra Militarum, Eldar, Necrons VS everything Chaos) Campaign 3 Is Orks Vs Nids Vs Imperium Vs Necrons in Octarius Sector and surrounding space Campaign 4 Is Tau vs Imperium but later Chaos and a faction of Dark Eldar, Necrons also turn up as well apparently Campaign 5 is Eye of Terror area and beyond part 2 (the stories from all 4 previous books brought together) pretty much every race is sensing the chaos in the galaxy and moves towards this area with their own missions and aims
In Campaign 3 pretty much everyone on the development team is game on for having a Ghazghkull vs Swarmlord whilst Campaign 4 they want a showdown between Farsight or Shadowsun and Imotekh. From what I gather, nothing beyond the first two books is set in stone yet and the rest is all a rough outline.
The aim is that these 5 Campaigns should take about 2 years to run their course and progress the setting to a new state where various side stories can be developed and therefore create new stories but keep the clock at "1 minute to midnight" for the overall setting.
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HokutoAndy Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 169 Join date : 2013-05-30
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 03:16 | |
| The source of the rumor also admits he knows little about the Eldar and mentiosn the leaked grynx base (was that posted on here? It's a large base with a grynx on it with teasing of what character is suppose to be standing on the base).
Plastic Eldrad is only available in Deathwatch right now, so repacking him in a triumvirate makes sense.
But the imperial triumvate was entirely new characters, getting 3 new characters would be nice like the mysterious 'Red Incubi' with his killy glaive, a disciple of Eldrad and his space elf psycat and killy blade, and the shadowseer and her cunning stick. | |
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amorrowlyday Hekatrix
Posts : 1318 Join date : 2015-03-15 Location : Massachusetts
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 03:27 | |
| Glaive is a word that hasn't been mentioned wrt the red dude yet. There's only 1 notable glaive in all of 40k. The spear of twilight borne by Prince Yriel himself. | |
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Calyptra Wych
Posts : 802 Join date : 2013-03-25 Location : Boston
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 06:00 | |
| Codex Dark Eldar contains Archite Glaives, Hellglaives, and the Incubi Klaives; Codex Harlequins has Zephyrglaives. Whether or not they're "notable" is subjective, of course, but arguably they're glaivier than the Spear of Twilight, which is conspicuously not called "the Glaive of Twilight."
(I'm kidding; whatever it's called, that thing is totally a glaive. It's just not the only glaive, and I'm not convinced it's the glaiviest.) | |
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aurynn Incubi
Posts : 1626 Join date : 2013-04-23
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 07:35 | |
| - BetrayTheWorld wrote:
- They're saying it's Vect, Asurmen, and Eldrad...which makes no sense to me. We have relatively recent rules for 2 out of 3 of those.
Yea. It does not make sense to me either. I can believe the warrior in red being Vect since he probably has stuff that was made pre-fall and combines DE and Eldar aesthetics. I can believe he is rumoured to be on a sort of disc, for I guess he would be damned before he walks and would explain him looking taller and even the pose. I can believe that he will be released without his Dais as special character HQ with possible Dais LOW coming later or not at all. However I do not believe that one of the triumvirate is not a Harlequin. And I do not think (nor want) another instance of that pompous know-it-all is required or wanted. It would make as much sense as a new Ahriman in 3 months time. When did GW ever do anything as "strange"...? Oh wait... | |
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Draco Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 211 Join date : 2016-02-01 Location : Chicago
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 13:50 | |
| AHHHHHHHH. Fall of Cadia II boys. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/16/the-storm-rages-on/ | |
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fisheyes Klaivex
Posts : 2150 Join date : 2016-02-18
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 14:57 | |
| Wow, these updates are coming fast now. Lets only hope that there is some meat to these rumors!
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Ynneadwraith Twisted
Posts : 1236 Join date : 2016-09-21
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 15:02 | |
| Well, if they actually keep some consistency with their rune-concepts the squared-off infinity sight at the top relates to the Infinity Matrix, and wraith-units in general. I'd wager it's Iyanna. | |
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Prodigalson Slave
Posts : 1 Join date : 2011-06-02
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 15:20 | |
| Definitely invinity symbol says something about a Wraith something, or death. The rest of the rune looks a bit like Khaine's rune and the rune of salvation. Maybe this is the god symbol for Ynead.
http://eldar.arhicks.co.uk/miscellaneous/eldar_runes.php | |
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Marrath Wych
Posts : 694 Join date : 2014-01-01 Location : A very spiky Webway-Hulk
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 15:29 | |
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Squidmaster Klaivex
Posts : 2225 Join date : 2013-12-18 Location : Hampshire, England
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 15:34 | |
| Oh lord you're right. It DOES say Aeldari...... | |
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Count Adhemar Dark Lord of Granbretan
Posts : 7610 Join date : 2012-04-26 Location : London
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Ynneadwraith Twisted
Posts : 1236 Join date : 2016-09-21
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 15:55 | |
| It is Ahriman saying that, so it's probably just poor spelling on his part. Part of his problem is he keeps asking people for directions to the 'Balck Library' and no-one knows what he's on about. Pisses him off no end Was also the problem with the Rubric if I remember rightly. He meant to write 'turn my brothers from mutation', but accidentally wrote 'burn' instead of 'turn' so they're all ash now. Why the TSons would make a dyslexic Chief Librarian is beyond me. Because grimdark probably... | |
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Count Adhemar Dark Lord of Granbretan
Posts : 7610 Join date : 2012-04-26 Location : London
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 16:03 | |
| It's no use. Even the thought of a dyslexic librarian isn't enough to combat what GW are doing to the Elven people, all in the name of trademark protection. Aelfs and Aeldar?! Dog-Emperor save us (as Azhek Hairiman would say). | |
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Rhivan Sybarite
Posts : 380 Join date : 2016-04-03
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 17:11 | |
| Well... they could've been called that before and over time they dropped the pointless A? Maybe it'll be used to separate current Eldar with the Aeldari?
Overall I don't mind the name as I think it sounds kinda cool if pronounced Ale-daar-eeeeeh! (Tiny exaggeration on the eeeeh! but I don't think it's TERRIBLE) it could just be a plural for Eldar too...
But if we're getting Ynnead or more stuff like that at the cost of the rename well... MY LIFE FOR THE DEATH GOD! | |
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Marrath Wych
Posts : 694 Join date : 2014-01-01 Location : A very spiky Webway-Hulk
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 18:01 | |
| - Ynneadwraith wrote:
- It is Ahriman saying that, so it's probably just poor spelling on his part. Part of his problem is he keeps asking people for directions to the 'Balck Library' and no-one knows what he's on about. Pisses him off no end
Was also the problem with the Rubric if I remember rightly. He meant to write 'turn my brothers from mutation', but accidentally wrote 'burn' instead of 'turn' so they're all ash now.
Why the TSons would make a dyslexic Chief Librarian is beyond me. Because grimdark probably... You are a genius xD I LOLed @work | |
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Erebus HTMLaemonculus
Posts : 376 Join date : 2013-02-13 Location : Your nightmares
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 18:11 | |
| "Aeldari" is no worse than "Eldar", in my opinion.
In regards to the "trademark protection" claim: the UK, and pretty much every other country that was once colonised and thus has a law system based on ours, operates under the common law system (Scotland being a notable exception), making it easier to enforce unregistered trademarks (™) than in countries that don't operate under that system, but it still doesn't offer the same legal protection as a registered trademark (®), and won't work in countries that don't operate under common law. "Aeldari", by way of being a more unique spelling than "Eldar", is arguably easier to enforce as an unregistered trademark, but GW already have "Eldar" registered in the UK. Similarly, there was no need to rename Space Marines to "Adeptus Astartes" since GW actually have the incredibly generic "Space Marine" registered in both the UK and EU (and you'll notice they still use the term Space Marine). However, "Aelf" is no easier to enforce under common law, or register, than "elf"; "Aelf" (or rather "Ælf") being the original norse spelling and falling into the public domain much like "elf". Granted not all, but many of the names used in AoS are equally generic (eg, Free Peoples, Eldritch Council), and thus just as difficult to enforce without registering. Incidentally, I just checked the IPO, and it seems the only name from AoS to have been registered is "Warhammer Age of Sigmar".
Essentially, it's less about "trademark protection" and more about brand recognition. | |
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fisheyes Klaivex
Posts : 2150 Join date : 2016-02-18
| Subject: Re: Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia? Mon Jan 16 2017, 19:51 | |
| @ynneadwraith, that caused me to actually grin at work. Please stop that | |
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