Dark Eldar in Fall of Cadia?

Calyptra wrote:

A follow-up on Gyrinx, because I decided to look up their entry in my old copy of Rogue Trader:

Gyrinx are psychic and empathic. They form a psychic bond with their owner, and "show a slow metabolic change so that they come to resemble their owner physically, temperamentally, and in habit." They understand instructions, can communicate simple messages, and will remain with their owner at all times unless ordered away.

In game terms, they provided +1 to hit in shooting and close combat, +1 to Initiative. If owned by a psyker, they could store up to 5 psi-points, and the psyker could communicate telepathically with them for free.

To add to this, in the first version of Imperial Armour 11 (so the earlier Corsair list not the current one), the Gyrinx allowed for a one time re-roll on any one D6 (you could only use it to re-roll one of your own dice not an opponents).

I do not believe the purple cloak is the female from the description. Doesn't the description say she is in a green outfit? Unless that purple cloak with the Raider grating is the base of a pedestal for her to stand on, it belongs to a different model.

If they are planning on a doing a triumvirate for the Eldar, then it would make sense to have DE, Eldar, and Harlequins represented. DE could be Malys (I think Vect will get his own model), Eldar could be Yriel), Harlequins is definitely the named Shadowseer.

-If only I could read better on my work laptop... Doesn't mention green at all. Gown looks like green on my screen. Here's hoping lady Malys makes her model debut!-

That excerpt of script about the exchange between Veilwalker and Cawl has totally grabbed my attention. A triumvirate of Eldar cultures...

Any chance you think Cegorach will reveal himself as the Grand Harlequin? To have an HQ Shadowseer would be great.

Could it be Malys? Did she collect warpstones?

I have a feeling all three of them are going to appeal to the Exodites to try convince them to join the fight against chaos. There have been some rumors since last year and even Lady Atia herself has said that Exodites are going to happen at some point. A good theory on dakka says that the red figure in the picture and the model being teased is actually Yreal himself and he is using his shared heritage of being both Eldar and Dark Eldar parents as well as ties to the Harlequins and Corsairs to unite them. Of course this leaves out one big Eldar player from uniting and that would be the Exodites. Other rumors have said that there are allegedly four codices left before 8th.

I don't think Exodites could be described as anything other than minor players as far as Eldar are concerned, let alone the wider setting.

Imateria wrote:

I don't think Exodites could be described as anything other than minor players as far as Eldar are concerned, let alone the wider setting.

The same can be said of the Dark Eldar who take very little part in events outside of raiding and have less of a population than the scattered Exodite worlds.

CurstAlchemist wrote:

Imateria wrote:

I don't think Exodites could be described as anything other than minor players as far as Eldar are concerned, let alone the wider setting.

The same can be said of the Dark Eldar who take very little part in events outside of raiding and have less of a population than the scattered Exodite worlds.

Aren't the Dark Eldar the most populated of the Eldar? Wit their birthing tech and all?

Yeah, by far the highest population of all the Eldar factions and Dark Eldar at least are known to interact with other factions, even if it is mostly raiding.

I misremembered, I was thinking the population of Commorragh was greater than the population of a planetary system not entire star systems...

Commorragh's size compared to a hive world is compared to a mountain next to an ant hill.

Dark Eldar are far more numerous than anyone know.

Jehoel wrote:

Commorragh's size compared to a hive world is compared to a mountain next to an ant hill.

Dark Eldar are far more numerous than anyone know.

As I corrected myself, it is stated in the 7th edition Codex under Commorragh, "its population greater than that of whole star systems." That means that it could have a population capable of competing with the Imperium, of course it depends on what exactly GW meant by star system as it could range from binary star to a star cluster (technically even a galaxy can be considered a star system).

I remember a line somewhere about Dark Eldar being more numerous than anyone knows, but I can't remember where it was. I'm not motivated to go digging for the source right now, but Jehoel using that phrase makes me think I'm not imagining it.

Thinking about though, it's actually ambiguous to the point of meaninglessness, especially without knowing how numerous everyone thinks they are.

So how many Dark Eldar are there? Lots and lots. Which is even more than "quite a bit."

It does also make sense that they'd be the most numerous Eldar. They have absurdly advanced cloning and reproductive technology, achievable functional immortality, and effectively unlimited space to expand their population and facilities within the folded space of their shadow dimension. Literally their only rate limiting factor is their capacity to harvest souls from realspace.

I was going to say that they are also limited by their tendency to kill each other, but I think that's probably balanced out by the cloning/reproductive tech and an awareness that having more people in your organization can give you an edge over your rivals.

As for the Exodites, somewhere along the line I acquired the impression that they were the least populous Eldar, but I'm not even sure where to start looking for a source for that. I feel like the most information about them was back in 2nd ed, which I largely skipped, and presumably Epic, which I never played at all.

Lexicanum says that the Exodites live in small, tribal, nomadic communities, and that their worlds are sparsely populated.

@Calyptra The line is from the second paragraph under Commorragh: "Thousands of ships dock each day within its outflung spines, for the Dark Eldar are far more numerous than even their craftworld kin suspect."

As for the Exodites I don't remember ever coming across a mention of populations for them and they aren't mentioned much in the fluff. When talking about Craftworlds do we talk about them as a whole (which we don't even know how many there are out there in the galaxy) or are we talking about their population in the context of Craftworld by Craftworld. To clarify, the populations of all Craftworlds would be x, or the population of Iyanden is y and the population of Ulthwe is z.

Commorragh is as big as you want it to be because it isn't real.

TeenageAngst wrote:

Commorragh is as big as you want it to be because it isn't real.

Real or not, established canon from books tells us how large it is in the fictional universe where we base our game.

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I also recall hearing that exodite worlds are sparsely populated, as the entire exodite mantra is to live in harmony with existing wildlife rather than modifying the world to suit you. They blame technological advancements and conveniences for making the Eldar bored, leading to ever-intensifying behaviors that ultimately led to the fall. They keep their populations small to ensure that they don't have a large impact on the environment, and avoid moving towards a convenience based society. They work hard, farm, hunt, etc. They do occasionally have wars with other exodites from different tribes on the same planet.

Eldar Exodites are basically Amish Eldar, haha.

BetrayTheWorld wrote:

TeenageAngst wrote:

Commorragh is as big as you want it to be because it isn't real.

Real or not, established canon from books tells us how large it is in the fictional universe where we base our game.

Not to mention that the IP is something real in this world even if the world being portrayed is fictional.

"Real or not, established canon from books tells us how large it is in the fictional universe where we base our game."

It also tells us that Space Marines inducted a half-eldar into their ranks, that a stick of Old Spice can be a grav tank, and that being bald or having a big hat is a sure fire way to rise through Imperial ranks. You can make up whatever you want and call it canon since the game has been tripping over itself for almost 30 years.

TeenageAngst wrote:

You can make up whatever you want and call it canon

That's not what canon is. Canon, in this context, basically means "GW official". What you personally make up doesn't meet the criteria of being "GW official".

Whether they have made mistakes or not is irrelevent, and using a stick of deodorant(since other countries may not know what "Old Spice" is) as a grav tank has nothing to do with established canon in regard to the "fluff", which is what is being discussed here. Storyline.

So Eldar wearing unknown style of armor? The speculation continues. I would say it seems very Corsair but, I don't think GW would include Corsairs due to them being forgeworld.

The gown very well could be Malys. She's been known to kick it with harlequins and she has the whole crystal heart thing going on.

I'm hoping the grynix is hanging out with the shadowseer. I'd like to imagine it granting the seer an extra mastery level, psychic power, or a reroll.

I thought the most recent fluff had Commoragh have an indistinct size, housing innumerable people, but it's borders, and distances are not consistent. Not to mention that it is actually multiple webway realms tied together.

megatrons2nd wrote:

I thought the most recent fluff had Commoragh have an indistinct size, housing innumerable people, but it's borders, and distances are not consistent.  Not to mention that it is actually multiple webway realms tied together.

Thats my understanding as well.

lament.config wrote:

So Eldar wearing unknown style of armor? The speculation continues. I would say it seems very Corsair but, I don't think GW would include Corsairs due to them being forgeworld.

The gown very well could be Malys. She's been known to kick it with harlequins and she has the whole crystal heart thing going on.

I'm hoping the grynix is hanging out with the shadowseer. I'd like to imagine it granting the seer an extra mastery level, psychic power, or a reroll.

I very much hope that if Sylendri is getting rules she will be ML3, with Gyrinx giving her a once per turn re-roll or something.

Imateria wrote:

I very much hope that if Sylendri is getting rules she will be ML3, with Gyrinx giving her a once per turn re-roll or something.

I don't care if she's ML1 with no powers as long as she's a Harlequin HQ choice!

Count Adhemar wrote:

Imateria wrote:

I very much hope that if Sylendri is getting rules she will be ML3, with Gyrinx giving her a once per turn re-roll or something.

I don't care if she's ML1 with no powers as long as she's a Harlequin HQ choice!

Would you realle use a harlequin CAD anyways? I wouldnt. Losing in crescendo its huge for a harlequin army.

BizarreShowbiz wrote:

Count Adhemar wrote:

Imateria wrote:

I very much hope that if Sylendri is getting rules she will be ML3, with Gyrinx giving her a once per turn re-roll or something.

I don't care if she's ML1 with no powers as long as she's a Harlequin HQ choice!

Would you realle use a harlequin CAD anyways? I wouldnt. Losing in crescendo its huge for a harlequin army.

Being able to not have a voidweaver would be nice

BizarreShowbiz wrote:

Count Adhemar wrote:

Imateria wrote:

I very much hope that if Sylendri is getting rules she will be ML3, with Gyrinx giving her a once per turn re-roll or something.

I don't care if she's ML1 with no powers as long as she's a Harlequin HQ choice!

Would you realle use a harlequin CAD anyways? I wouldnt. Losing in crescendo its huge for a harlequin army.

I would buy Shadowseers by the truckload and give all my assault units Veil of Tears.