Cloud Dancers Heavy weapons Oh My

So Corsair Cloud Dancers completely changed, they went from a Outflanking Scatter/Shuriken amazing Windrider, or a Fast moving amazing Melee unit to..... Something not as good. But they now can take some Heavy weapons.

2 weapons i'm looking at are Dissonance Cannons and Dark Lances.

Dissonance: A2, S5 -2ap, D3. roll of 6 to hit makes it S6 -3ap
Dark Lance: We know what this is.

Both are same cost and both are Heavy guns, the unit can take 1 per bike, they have to take BoP sadly (a Poison Flamer, at least its really cheap and a neat weapon). With the Felarch (5pts difference for a extra wound and LD so might as well)
A unit of 3 is 146pts.

A Ravager is for sure MUCH more survivable for only being 10pts more and is 3+ to hit when it moves over 4+ to hit of the bikes move. The difference is that bikes are easier to hide/cover, can have a warlock/farseer to buff and can get Soulburst from Ynnari.

Is the Ynnari Soulburst (on turn one you can cast soulburst onto them for 6 shots, with good placement you dont need to move) worth it?

Also is it worth it without Ynnari? (IMO its not)

Can felarch have a heavy weapon? I was thinking no, so three are just two heavy weapons and they cost 126.

I think a ravager is fore sure better from an AV point of view, but they are good unit anyway: resistant (2W), versatile (good also in short range with pistols), very fast (18M) and good for taking obj (ravager is not).
More than compared to a ravager they should be compared to scourges and blasterbon in my point of view, and I think they are about on the same power level.

Another interesting comparison is with reavers. 6 reavers with 2 blasters are 224 points, while 5 cloud dancers with 4 heavy weapons are 220, and there is really no game here, dancers are a lot better.

For sure cloud dancers wants to be ynnari (no reason not to be), but I think they can work nicely even as craftworlders.

Gherma wrote:

Can felarch have a heavy weapon? I was thinking no, so three are just two heavy weapons and they cost 126.

Hmm your correct he can not, it was an over sight, so yeah even cheaper then.

Gherma wrote:

Another interesting comparison is with reavers. 6 reavers with 2 blasters are 224 points, while 5 cloud dancers with 4 heavy weapons are 220, and there is really no game here, dancers are a lot better.

For sure cloud dancers wants to be ynnari (no reason not to be), but I think they can work nicely even as craftworlders.

Very nice POV, this is something i was hoping to get more discussion on, Yeah i think i will for sure try them out now.

Now the question is, Dissonance or Dark lances lol.

I think the solution is (as always) in the answer to the question "do I have enough lances in the rest of my army?"

Yes --> dissonance. Very valid weapon, with 2 shots makes the -1 to hit less painful
No --> lance.

I have them model as DL's, the Dissonance just sounds fun.

They also get that nice brace of pistols, and move another 3" if you manage to kill a charger in overwatch - before they make their charge attempt. Could be quite a change going from a 7 charge to a 10 on a D6. I really want to try some with pure infantry smashing loadouts and see if I can get a kill on overwatch too - bait into a failed charge scenario.

Gherma wrote:

Another interesting comparison is with reavers. 6 reavers with 2 blasters are 224 points, while 5 cloud dancers with 4 heavy weapons are 220, and there is really no game here, dancers are a lot better.

Not really IMO. If you shoot 4 Cloud Dancers off the table from that unit you lost almost all its performance. If you shoot 4 Reavers from that unit you lost almost nothing.

If the CDs had any means of alpha strike, I'd agree with you, but with many low-model elite armies I have played against and seen they would be first to go.

aurynn wrote:

Gherma wrote:

Another interesting comparison is with reavers. 6 reavers with 2 blasters are 224 points, while 5 cloud dancers with 4 heavy weapons are 220, and there is really no game here, dancers are a lot better.

Not really IMO. If you shoot 4 Cloud Dancers off the table from that unit you lost almost all its performance. If you shoot 4 Reavers from that unit you lost almost nothing.

If the CDs had any means of alpha strike, I'd agree with you, but with many low-model elite armies I have played against and seen they would be first to go.

but it will still have better performance. 2DL's>2 blasters. and the starting firepower is sooo much better.

5 Scourges with 4 heavy weapons is 150 points though.

Well its 1DL since the CDs started at 5 models technically.
Reavers still have those 2MWs on 4+ at charge and can actually kill something and tie something in assault even being just 2.
And starting firepower is valid only if you can get 1st turn. How many times did you get 1st turn using CDs? My army usually has 10+ drops. More than 50% armies I play against have less than 10 drops. Its either elite or horde here. Not much inbetween.

CDs look awesome on paper, but I'd love people field 3x5 of them Against me.

TeenageAngst wrote:

5 Scourges with 4 heavy weapons is 150 points though.

I know, but bikes get +1 T/W and +6" movement.

Also the bikes get Dissonance and Scourges dont, (Its a basically a Dis cannon).

That is quite an improvement for the dissonance cannons. They sucked goat balls in the doom of Mymeara

Yeah its, 2 shots S5 -2ap, on a hit of a 6 its S6 -3ap, both are D3 damage

But its Heavy shots again, no?

Not worth it to you, might be to others tho, just like how HL Reavers are worth it to some, i'd rather have Dissonance Cloud Dancers over Reavers.

3 Reavers with 1 HL and Grav Talon is 21pts cheaper but the Cloud Dancers get 6 shots and better range.

Just how i see it

I was just asking if Dissonance Cannons are Heavy weapon...

Ah, ON SNAP

Yeah they are, My bads