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PostSubject: How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model?   How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model? I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 17 2017, 13:43

Datasheet says Haemunculus and Acothyst can take "weapons of torture". I don't see any limit, how many weapons you may take.
Considering this I can suggest that I may take over 50 hex rifles for my Haemunculus and shoot all of them as I can fire every weapon I have.
Did I miss something?
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PostSubject: Re: How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model?   How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model? I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 17 2017, 14:20

yes officially you replace a single ranged weapon with a weapon of torture (mentioned in the weapons of torture list)
But this also makes it impossible for acothyst to take any weapon...
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PostSubject: Re: How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model?   How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model? I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 18 2017, 08:23

It's clear with Haemunculus, we can only replace his pistol. But in situation with acothyst I would say, that if he doesn't have any ranged weapons and I MAY take items from the list, technically I have no limit how many items I can take. So 50 hexrifles in a unit of wracks is still legal.
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PostSubject: Re: How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model?   How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model? I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 18 2017, 09:14

Firstly, anyone who turns up at a table and even attempts to explain that to their opponent is likely, at best, to receive a Dreadsock to the nuts.

Secondly, the prerequisite for taking any of those items is the ability to replace either a ranged or melee weapon. You have no ranged weapon so you fall at the first hurdle.
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PostSubject: Re: How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model?   How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model? I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 18 2017, 09:39

No, no. I'd be willing to play 1000 Points of proper list against 2 Wrack units and 1 Haemonculus with 150 Hex Rifles.

15 Wounds have never been easier to clear off the board.

But as the good Count has said, this is actually illegal.
GW goofed up with Acothysts and that list.
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PostSubject: Re: How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model?   How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model? I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 18 2017, 14:05

I don't see any restrict to take weapons of torture on acothyst. It is indicated in his profile, that I can take any number of this items.
The fact, that the acothyst doesn't have any ranged weapons, can't override rules stated in his datasheet. That is my point.
As for the kick in the nuts, there are some abusive players who deserve it as well. I swear not to use this tactics on my friends.
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PostSubject: Re: How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model?   How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model? I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 18 2017, 19:39

Please don't link to illegal images. -Jimsolo
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PostSubject: Re: How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model?   How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model? I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 18 2017, 21:07

SERAFF wrote:
I don't see any restrict to take weapons of torture on acothyst. It is indicated in his profile, that I can take any number of this items.
The fact, that the acothyst doesn't have any ranged weapons, can't override rules stated in his datasheet. That is my point.
As for the kick in the nuts, there are some abusive players who deserve it as well. I swear not to use this tactics on my friends.

It's in the wargear table at the beginning of the Drukhari section. The Tools of Torment list starts with "A model may replace a ranged weapon with a single weapon from this list:"
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PostSubject: Re: How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model?   How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model? I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 18 2017, 22:21

tegs wrote:
SERAFF wrote:
I don't see any restrict to take weapons of torture on acothyst. It is indicated in his profile, that I can take any number of this items.
The fact, that the acothyst doesn't have any ranged weapons, can't override rules stated in his datasheet. That is my point.
As for the kick in the nuts, there are some abusive players who deserve it as well. I swear not to use this tactics on my friends.

It's in the wargear table at the beginning of the Drukhari section.  The Tools of Torment list starts with "A model may replace a ranged weapon with a single weapon from this list:"

Then, the acothyst can't take a tool of torment, as he doesn't have a ranged weapon.

It's a funny flaw. I guess it will be corrected eventually.

ps.: sorry for the image, I couldn't resist.
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PostSubject: Re: How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model?   How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model? I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 18 2017, 23:16

My assumption is that the RAI is that he can exchange a melee weapon for the tools of torment, but I could be wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model?   How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model? I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 19 2017, 06:53

I think the RAI he can have one, since he is replacing his melee weapon for a weapon of torment and he can have both:
weapons of torment and/or tools of torment
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PostSubject: Re: How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model?   How many hex rifles and weapons of torture for one model? I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 25 2017, 14:50

Thanks GW for fixing that thing. I would say that these guys are finally working as they should if only they didn't shut down some roster calculators mabe by community and giving nothing in return. But this is off topic.
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