Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?

The Shredder wrote:

Mppqlmd wrote:: I'm amazed at the thought that the most efficient role of our glorious and fearful leader is tarpiting his foes.

I'm likewise amazed at how selfless our leaders are, in spite of being cutthroat and backstabbing at all other times.

"Quickly men - carry out your mission while they're busy killing me!"

more like

"Do all the job, while I feast. Those one look... healthy"

Hellion Posts : 70 Join date : 2013-12-10

Just don't forget to save some commands points to reroll that 1 for an archon's invul save!

Dirtydeeds wrote:: Just don't forget to save some commands points to reroll that 1 for an archon's invul save!

Alas, you can't reroll the Shadow Field saving throw for any reason Sad

...if they let us I think we might all be considerably more pleased with the Archon though *do you hear us GW?!*

Hellion Posts : 70 Join date : 2013-12-10

lcfr wrote:

Dirtydeeds wrote:: Just don't forget to save some commands points to reroll that 1 for an archon's invul save!

Alas, you can't reroll the Shadow Field saving throw for any reason Sad

...if they let us I think we might all be considerably more pleased with the Archon though *do you hear us GW?!*

Yeah I noticed that last night during my game, sorry for the misinformation all!

But the strategy still works.

Hekatrix Posts : 1239 Join date : 2013-07-09

Tarpitting with a unit that only really needs 6 wounds on average dice to lose his save (and against most high strength low attack units, die) doesn't seem like a great use.

Minor gripe. 2 imperial codex have easy access to a 2+ invuln that CAN be rerolled.

I guess it's to keep all those Archons from dominating the top tables like last edition.... wait....

Incubi Posts : 1844 Join date : 2017-07-05

The Red King wrote:: Tarpitting with a unit that only really needs 6 wounds on average dice to lose his save (and against most high strength low attack units, die) doesn't seem like a great use.

Minor gripe. 2 imperial codex have easy access to a 2+ invuln that CAN be rerolled.

I guess it's to keep all those Archons from dominating the top tables like last edition.... wait....

It's to make sure you don't use those precious CP on a useless model Smile

Hekatrix Posts : 1239 Join date : 2013-07-09

That sounds perfectly right to me lol

Trueborn Posts : 2970 Join date : 2013-04-11

Mppqlmd wrote:

The Red King wrote:: Tarpitting with a unit that only really needs 6 wounds on average dice to lose his save (and against most high strength low attack units, die) doesn't seem like a great use.

Minor gripe. 2 imperial codex have easy access to a 2+ invuln that CAN be rerolled.

I guess it's to keep all those Archons from dominating the top tables like last edition.... wait....

It's to make sure you don't use those precious CP on a useless model Smile

I wish I could refute this. silent

What about Drazhar? He seems expensive, but if he gets a charge off with a load of incubi he would be doing a fair bit of damage to anything really. Probably not the best due to cost, but if you want a killy Lord over a tarpit Lord it may be a viable option?

Hekatrix Posts : 1392 Join date : 2015-06-21

Never bring Drazhar. He is crap. Compare him to any other named character within 20 points on either side and he is crap. Compare him to Kahne the betrayer and he is extra crap.

Trueborn Posts : 2970 Join date : 2013-04-11

Yeah, right now Drazhar is just a glorified Klaivex.

Hekatrix Posts : 1392 Join date : 2015-06-21

The Shredder wrote:: Yeah, right now Drazhar is just a glorified Klaivex.

I would even argue that he's not as good as a scaled-up Klaivex in killing power due to lacking Lethal Precision. Give a Klaivex +1 S and +1 A and you have something that can outkill their phoenix lord.

Wych Posts : 523 Join date : 2013-08-16

Drazhar is so ridiculously bad (as any of our named HQs tbh) it kills me inside every time i look at his stats... I dont understand how anyone in their right mind would use him unless they have tons of points to burn...

Trueborn Posts : 2970 Join date : 2013-04-11

FuelDrop wrote:

The Shredder wrote:: Yeah, right now Drazhar is just a glorified Klaivex.

I would even argue that he's not as good as a scaled-up Klaivex in killing power due to lacking Lethal Precision. Give a Klaivex +1 S and +1 A and you have something that can outkill their phoenix lord.

I think the most telling thing is that if you give the Klaivex an extra attack, he'll have more attacks than Drazhar.

DevilDoll wrote:: Drazhar is so ridiculously bad (as any of our named HQs tbh) it kills me inside every time i look at his stats... I dont understand how anyone in their right mind would use him unless they have tons of points to burn...

A while back I was considering what an Incubi HQ might look like (a generic one, not a special character).

I started with a Klaivex but immediately ran into the issue that (as above) if I increased his attacks at all then he'd have more attacks than Drazhar himself.

What's more, pretty much any buff I could give him would far exceed Drazhar's miserable excuse for an Aura (which becomes completely useless from turn 3 onwards).

Also, my natural inclination would be to give him the Klaivex's ability (+2 damage on to-wound rolls of 6). I mean, his weapons don't replace this ability in any way and he should be at least as good in combat as a Klaivex, so why wouldn't he have it? Yet, once again, I ran into the issue wherein Drazhar somehow lacks this ability. I guess the most skilled Incubi warrior ever forgot how to land precise strikes. scratch

Put simply, I was tripping over ways to make a decent Incubi HQ, who would inadvertently exceed Drazhar in basically everything bar survivability.

Were the developers trying to make him awful? Did GW want an excuse to just ditch him in the codex and not have to recast his ancient model? Neutral

I see...no Drazhar then! Razz

Hekatrix Posts : 1392 Join date : 2015-06-21

Lord Nakariial wrote:: I see...no Drazhar then!

Indeed. Just grab another squad of incubi, they will serve you much better.

The Archon has one defining virtue among DE HQs: He's cheap. I would argue that he is the best HQ we have by dint of being around 20 points cheaper base than any of the competition.

I do think that his only real use is to soak fire and eat charges meant for actually valuable units is a sad reflection on our leader. As I said to my friend who plays Chaos (and thus has a ton of really nice HQ options), I would rather have the archon stand in front of my blasterborn squad and eat all the fire and attacks rather than lose something valuable.

We still have hope, our Codex hasn't dropped which means this is the time to try and get GW to listen. Here's hoping we get some characters and an Archon with a decked out ride Wink

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