| Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament | |
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mattblowers Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 117 Join date : 2016-12-27
| Subject: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament Tue Aug 22 2017, 14:51 | |
| Just now taking my Dark Eldar out to play for this edition. So far I have found that they play pretty much the same as they did last edition: I play keep away and try to win on objective scoring. After a few practice games last week where I really struggled, here is my list trying to maximize on the damage I can to while running away.
HQs: 1 archon with Blaster and agonizer 1 haemi with electro whip
Troops: 2x 5 Kabalite with blaster 1x 5 kabalite 2x wracks with agaonizer elites: 1x 5 blasterborn
Tranpsorts: 4x vemon (base, I don't find the upgrade worth the points after the nerf)
Fliers: 2x razorwing jets with dissies and splinter cannon
Outrider detachment: 1 haemi with electro whip Heavy: 1x ravager with 3 dissies 1x ravager with 3 dark lances. 1x tauntulus
Everything that can be <Coven> is for the +1 toughness.
Here's my thinking behind the list: Everything has fly to keep running away and shooting. Everything is <kabal> for ITC Obsec. Mobile and shooty. I don't necessarily like the archons in the list, but with the ITC ruling you need to be all <kabal>, <wych cult>, or <coven> to get obsec in the same formation. This really limits the army in my opinion and gives even more hamstrings to a struggling army. If I'm going to need to run away and shoot, then by god I'm going to be the best I can be at running and shooting.
Thoughts?
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mattblowers Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 117 Join date : 2016-12-27
| Subject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament Wed Aug 23 2017, 15:22 | |
| Update to my list. I dropped a venom and 3 units of kabalites ( 1 blaster, 2 regular), and an archon to add 2 Haemoculi with electrocorrosive whips and 2 units of wracks with agonizers. This makes the army potentially WAY more resilient. T:5 wracks, T:6 venoms, and T:8 tantulus? sounds good to me. And the Archon gives everyone LD:9 riding in the tantulus. Should make the army better at what it does. | |
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lcfr Sybarite
Posts : 456 Join date : 2013-10-20 Location : Toronto
| Subject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament Wed Aug 23 2017, 20:01 | |
| Can you edit your original post to show what the list looks Ike now ?
I also think whether Coven or Kabal you should swap a Ravager for another Flier to get that extra CP. | |
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mattblowers Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 117 Join date : 2016-12-27
| Subject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament Thu Aug 24 2017, 12:57 | |
| I have a voidraven on the way, but for now the 2 fliers is all I have or I would think about it. I'd lose a command point to drop a ravager though so the CP would be a wash. Do you find ravagers less efficient than fliers? | |
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lament.config Sybarite
Posts : 450 Join date : 2015-04-20
| Subject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament Fri Aug 25 2017, 01:31 | |
| Ouch, I knew ITC updated the other day I missed the part about being all <kabal> <coven> to get obsec | |
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lcfr Sybarite
Posts : 456 Join date : 2013-10-20 Location : Toronto
| Subject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament Fri Aug 25 2017, 02:08 | |
| I personally prefer the Fliers. They're more resilient and way, way more mobile.
They can't soak Overwatch but I just find their ability to get deep into enemy back lines well worth it. | |
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Asgog Slave
Posts : 5 Join date : 2017-08-23
| Subject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament Fri Aug 25 2017, 07:19 | |
| Is it really worth being more resilient with an army that isn't designed to be resilient. Would the warriors with blasters be better for your alpha strike/ beta strike. You know what they say the best defence is a good offence. And surely the difference between t5 and t6 venoms is not that great when you have anti tank weapons shooting at them. | |
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Chippen Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 225 Join date : 2016-12-18
| Subject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament Fri Aug 25 2017, 15:39 | |
| There's a decent amount of S5/6 shooting going around - Wave Serpent spam, lots of Storm Bolters and Assault Cannons and such in imperium, so the T6 can make a big difference. The choice is a 2+ Blaster or a T+1 bubble. | |
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mattblowers Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 117 Join date : 2016-12-27
| Subject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament Fri Aug 25 2017, 17:09 | |
| - Asgog wrote:
- Is it really worth being more resilient with an army that isn't designed to be resilient. Would the warriors with blasters be better for your alpha strike/ beta strike. You know what they say the best defence is a good offence. And surely the difference between t5 and t6 venoms is not that great when you have anti tank weapons shooting at them.
I think so. Venoms are so cheap you will almost always have more drops and you need to survive the first turn. I'm literally only paying the cost of a haemonculus for it and he's better than an archon. Plus the haemis box is a great counter to Malefic lord spam. The venoms are a bonus. The T:8 tantulus is a big deal as are T:5 wracks. | |
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mattblowers Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 117 Join date : 2016-12-27
| Subject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament Fri Aug 25 2017, 17:14 | |
| - lament.config wrote:
- Ouch, I knew ITC updated the other day I missed the part about being all <kabal> <coven> to get obsec
They clarified on their podcast this week that if you are all Drukhari you get obsec. The <Keyword> bit was confusing. The last I heard Nova was still going with the more restrictive interpretation. | |
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Dirtydeeds Hellion
Posts : 70 Join date : 2013-12-10
| Subject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament Wed Aug 30 2017, 19:32 | |
| The current FAQ only states that the detachment must be Drukhari to get Obsec | |
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