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Kantalla Wych
Posts : 874 Join date : 2015-12-21
| Subject: Overwatch limitations? Tue Oct 31 2017, 08:52 | |
| The rulebook says "Overwatch is resolved like a normal shooting attack... and uses all the normal rules except that a 6 is always required for a successful hit roll..."
I'm assuming that means: 1) Range limitations still apply - so you can sit at 8.5" away from a unit or Wraithguard or other flamer toting squad, and if you can get the charge off (quite likely for Drukhari from turn 2), the flamers would be out of range and therefore can't fire in overwatch. 2) Line of sight still applies - if you had a solid transport that is taller than your models you could hide a squad from line of sight of the charge target (or if terrain is suitable), and they would then be unable to fire overwatch.
I have issues with both those interpretations, but assume the rules make them legal. Anyone think those are wrong? _________________ From a midnight sky, there is a searing flash, a boom, a brief moment of destruction, and then it is gone. Kabal of Lightning Strikes - Project Log Drukhari damage output analysis
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Count Adhemar Dark Lord of Granbretan
Posts : 7610 Join date : 2012-04-26 Location : London
| Subject: Re: Overwatch limitations? Tue Oct 31 2017, 09:14 | |
| No, they're both correct and (I think) have even been confirmed in FAQ answers _________________ You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. In what world could you possibly beat me? | |
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Squidmaster Klaivex
Posts : 2219 Join date : 2013-12-18 Location : Hampshire, England
| Subject: Re: Overwatch limitations? Tue Oct 31 2017, 09:39 | |
| 1/ Correct, Range still applies. So Flamers would be in trouble, and Meltaguns would still have their half range rule, etc.
2/ Yes, Line Of Sight still applies, so you can't shoot a unit you can't see, allowing you to be tactical with unit placement and essentially ambush enemy units. _________________ Kabal of the Eternal Night | Modelling Blog | The Squidmaster Distractathon | Notes on being an RPG Gamesmaster |
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masamune Sybarite
Posts : 445 Join date : 2017-06-22 Location : Paris
| Subject: Re: Overwatch limitations? Tue Oct 31 2017, 12:01 | |
| Yup, you need both the range and line of sight to fire overwatch. _________________ Frenchie, long time painter, trying to get in the 8th edition , still converting & painting hordes of dark eldars Project log Dark eldars ~4k points / Battle sisters ~2k points | |
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dumpeal Hekatrix
Posts : 1275 Join date : 2015-02-13 Location : Québec
| Subject: Re: Overwatch limitations? Tue Oct 31 2017, 14:24 | |
| On a well covered board, it can makes hellions better than their stats indicate. | |
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|Meavar Hekatrix
Posts : 1041 Join date : 2017-01-26
| Subject: Re: Overwatch limitations? Tue Oct 31 2017, 16:17 | |
| You need quite the perfect cover for it. Since they still only charge 7-8 on average, which means their target must be (nearly) next to some los blocking terrain that is high enough that the hellions are not to high. That is often my problem, hellions are so damn big for "jumb troops" that I find them very hard to hide (but maybe that is also largely due to terrain). Most of the 2+ story buildings have windows which means they are still visible, and they are to high to hide behind single story high walls. | |
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dumpeal Hekatrix
Posts : 1275 Join date : 2015-02-13 Location : Québec
| Subject: Re: Overwatch limitations? Tue Oct 31 2017, 17:39 | |
| - |Meavar wrote:
- You need quite the perfect cover for it. Since they still only charge 7-8 on average, which means their target must be (nearly) next to some los blocking terrain that is high enough that the hellions are not to high. That is often my problem, hellions are so damn big for "jumb troops" that I find them very hard to hide (but maybe that is also largely due to terrain). Most of the 2+ story buildings have windows which means they are still visible, and they are to high to hide behind single story high walls.
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Mppqlmd Incubi
Posts : 1844 Join date : 2017-07-05
| Subject: Re: Overwatch limitations? Tue Oct 31 2017, 18:48 | |
| That's why Jetbike HQs would be perfect : super easy to hide. - Charge the succubus first from LOS blocking cover, so no overwatch. - Charge the reavers next. No Overwatch because already tied in CC. _________________ My Kabal
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