Codex: Drukhari Preview: Haemonculus Covens

Imateria wrote:

If we had our old 7th ed Phantasm Grenade Launchers back where the target unit makes a Leadership check and takes a wound with no saves of any kind allowed (see, Mortal Wounds aren't an 8th ed invention) for each point they fail the test by, minus the "Space Marines always win" rule, and it could be incredibly potent. Otherwise, I'll pass.

I'm strongly willing to bet there will be an Artifact for that. Whether or not it's worth giving up one of the sweet pistols we've seen will be up for review, but I could totally see some Mind War style items popping up in the codex.

The Shredder wrote:

Red Corsair wrote:

BTW guys am I the only one that overlooked that in yesterdays preview screaming jets can only be used in your army if you don't use WWP? Something to consider. As written now, it's either or not both.

Nah, someone else noticed:

The Shredder wrote:

Screaming Jets - Not sure why this is a stratagem, but whatever. Is there a reason we're not allowed to use it with WWP?

You can't play the Screaming Jets stretegem if you have used a WWP previously in the game. You can use both of you use the Screaming Jets earlier in the game, but not any turn after the WWP is played. Of course, it may have been changed and my sleep-deprived brain is mixing it up.

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The real difference between webway portal and screaming jets is that webway portal is limited in use of once or twice for 3 command points. Screaming jets doesn't have that limitation and can be used as many times as you want, provided you use it on vehicles. So if you go all vehicle army, then it is better. If you want to do big blobs of kabalite warriors or beasts or something then you use webway portal, but you are limited to 2 units max.

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

We'll see about splinter cannons, fingers crossed they get that reduction.

We can always copy the Hurricane Bolter that Imperium has and turn the Splinter Cannon to Rapid 6 for 10 points

That would be very sweet, but also utterly ridiculous on venoms lol. 24 rapid fire shots, there basically wouldn't be a point to even bothering with passengers anymore. I'll be at least somewhat content if the cannon goes down to 10pts even with its current stats.

I think with these rules wracks don't need much more (grots probably do), the talk about 9 point wracks seems a bit over the top to me.
9 points for a model with t5 and 4++ 6+++ seems really really good to me.
Also the black curnopicans is great, not because you will use it, it is good because you probably won't. The enemy has to kill a unit completely if you have those 2 points left or run the risk that it will just come back. Just march them on the field, either he does not target them and you get them in CC where you want them to be, or he does target them and has to waste a lot of shooting (nearly 11 bolter shots to kill 1 wrack: 162 shots to wipe a 15 man unit) and if he does not finish the job, you just revive them for a few command points. You force your opponent to either ignore or wipe the unit because of the stratagem, that is the real power in my mind.

Did anyone notice they talked about destroying a tank with haywire in a coven army. This probably means someone either get's the option to field additional haywire or the haywire get's boosted or talos can be fielded in units. Since right now you only get an average of 0.67 mortal wounds from a haywire equipped talos, not nearly enough to destroy any tank even if shooting the complete battle at it.

Coven stuff is looking good. Loving that 4++.

Gorefather wrote:

Imateria wrote:

If we had our old 7th ed Phantasm Grenade Launchers back where the target unit makes a Leadership check and takes a wound with no saves of any kind allowed (see, Mortal Wounds aren't an 8th ed invention) for each point they fail the test by, minus the "Space Marines always win" rule, and it could be incredibly potent. Otherwise, I'll pass.

I'm strongly willing to bet there will be an Artifact for that. Whether or not it's worth giving up one of the sweet pistols we've seen will be up for review, but I could totally see some Mind War style items popping up in the codex.

I hope not, for the Dark Creed need more than just a single relic (probably the Orbs of Despair) to work. You're probably right though.

|Meavar wrote:

I think with these rules wracks don't need much more (grots probably do), the talk about 9 point wracks seems a bit over the top to me.
9 points for a model with t5 and 4++ 6+++ seems really really good to me.
Also the black curnopicans is great, not because you will use it, it is good because you probably won't. The enemy has to kill a unit completely if you have those 2 points left or run the risk that it will just come back. Just march them on the field, either he does not target them and you get them in CC where you want them to be, or he does target them and has to waste a lot of shooting (nearly 11 bolter shots to kill 1 wrack: 162 shots to wipe a 15 man unit) and if he does not finish the job, you just revive them for a few command points. You force your opponent to either ignore or wipe the unit because of the stratagem, that is the real power in my mind.

Did anyone notice they talked about destroying a tank with haywire in a coven army. This probably means someone either get's the option to field additional haywire or the haywire get's boosted or talos can be fielded in units. Since right now you only get an average of 0.67 mortal wounds from a haywire equipped talos, not nearly enough to destroy any tank even if shooting the complete battle at it.

Your paying for T4 on the Wracks, not T5. That comes from the Haemonculus who pays for his ability himself. At that point, a T4, 4++, 6+++ 1 wound, 1 attack close combat unit is actually quite reasonable at 9ppm.

Talos can already be taken in squads of up to 3. And I suspect thats more a case of GW continuing to overestimat the value of Haywire this edition. Remember, it being completely useless is not a problem limited to just our codex. Could also be a refference to the fact there's nothing stopping you from taking a squad of Scourges with 4 Haywire Blasters (other than comman sense given the poor weapon).

Wracks are 2 attacks well currently