What I kick tail with....

My 2000 pt list....

HQ

1 Haemonculus, 50 pts

ELITE

5 Kabalite Trueborn, 110 pts (Dark Lance x2)

5 Kabalite Trueborn, 110 pts (Dark Lance x2)

5 Kabalite Trueborn, 110 pts (Blaster x2; Splinter Cannon x2)

TROOPS

5 Kabalite Warriors, 135 pts (Blaster x1)
1 Raider (Shock Prow; Flickerfield)

5 Kabalite Warriors, 135 pts (Blaster x1)
1 Raider (Shock Prow; Flickerfield)

4 Kabalite Warriors, 150 pts (Blaster x1)
1 Sybarite (Blast Pistol; Close Combat Weapon)
1 Venom (Splinter Cannons)

4 Kabalite Warriors, 150 pts (Blaster x1)
1 Sybarite (Blast Pistol; Close Combat Weapon)
1 Venom (Splinter Cannons)

4 Kabalite Warriors, 150 pts (Blaster x1)
1 Sybarite (Blast Pistol; Close Combat Weapon)
1 Venom (Splinter Cannons)

4 Kabalite Warriors, 150 pts (Blaster x1)
1 Sybarite (Blast Pistol; Close Combat Weapon)
1 Venom (Splinter Cannons)

FAST

5 Scourges, 134 pts (Heat Lance x2)

5 Scourges, 134 pts (Heat Lance x2)

5 Scourges, 134 pts (Heat Lance x2)

HEAVY

1 Ravager, 115 pts (Night Shields)

1 Ravager, 115 pts (Night Shields)

1 Ravager, 115 pts (Night Shields)

Total Roster Cost: 1997

So wait, a carbon copy of Stelek's list, or am I missing something that you refuse to acknowledge inspiration/plagiarism?

http://yesthetruthhurts.com/2011/09/build-request-balanced-de-percentages/

I love people who claim others lists as their own.

This list has been kicking and trolling it's way round the forums for ages now.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321649

It's old hat

Riiighht keep tellin yourself that. Find it ironic you guys (WC) use his lists after the whole Daemons fiasco.

So you all know, or whoever really arses to look this up, WC (Wrecking Crew) members are known to cheat and backpat their own members at events.

The "Daemons fiasco" was a instance at a Ard Boyz a few years back where in the Final round a confirmed Chaos Daemons player AND playtester won because he "thought" that he would deploy normally instead of Deep Striking.

Seeing this got him probably $3-4k worth of product for free, I have since given up faith on the group and anyone they "back" including Deadshane here.

I don't support cheaters and poor sportsmen folks, and keep these deadbeats down by knowing all they can do is "steal" ideas and not think for themselves. Note he leaves here after I called him on his bullsh*t, I won't take any of it. Thanks :3

Don't know what your getting at, I don't use this list.

I absolutely got it from Stelek's site. Problem?

I never claimed to create it, but it is MY list.

It's been bouncing around the internet thanx largely to me since I've posted it just about everywhere. I do that to get decent feedback on it and as much as I can. I like to hear what lots of people think so that I can make improvements/be aware of alternate paths it might take.

See, it's MINE b/c I've got the army, it's painted, it's ready for tournament, and I'm proficient with it. Dunno what else you have to do to claim ownership of an army. I guess ONE person OWNS the idea of running Draigowing and everyone else that plays it is a copycat plagerist huh?

As far as us warring with Stelek....three things on that...

1. Ancient history

2. I actually like his theory and agree with it often. I also frequent his site WITH my lists and they've improved thanx to some info/feedback I've gotten there. (beerfart is an alt for me)

3. We have a general standing rule amongst our own membership to NOT war with him. For the most part it's adhered to by 99% of our membership.


Basically, in a nutshell...

Smurfy, calm down.


EDIT: Btw...I've also posted batreps using this list on Warseer and our home website. MY batreps, from games I'VE played, using MY army, that I own, using the list that I got from STELEK'S site.

...sounds to me like it's MY army.

lol so much emotion over the internet... its so hilarious

So what if this is steleks or not... who cares... Its a game we play for supposed fun, not to bash others. He has the models and fields it, its his army. You cant say others havent out there played your exact army at one time... there are just only so much you can do with one codex.

But anyway, to the list.

I like the list, the problem I have is 2 things, first off, I dont like blast pistols. I have several guys try and tell me that 35 points is worth a 6" blaster shot... yah... those people are the same people that wont pay 25 points for a dark lance... It doesnt make sense to me. Its a waste of points and the only reason to throw it in there is if you have aboslutely nothing else to get, which I highly doubt.

Well, you ask what I would do with those points??? well those DS scourges are sucicidial units with heat lances. Oh, I DS and maybe wont be in melta range, and then get shot to death. Wow... what a waste of 134 points... That is a marine mindset where you DS sternguard, and if they surivive, bonus!!! well we arent going to soak down several units worth of fire, as we arent T4 with a 3+ armor save. But if you upgrade them to 6 reavers w/ 2 heat lances for 156, then you have a T4 model with a 3++ turbo-boost and skilled riders, so they can hide in cover like no other. Then they move 12, melta a tank to death, and safely move their 6" jetbike move back into cover. Way more surivivable and only 22 more points, and arent a one trick pony.

Also Ive never seen a reason for Nightshields on Ravagers, yah, Ive heard the whole "if your ravagers dont have a 4++ then you arent doing it right" Arguement, but again thats a marine mindset where all their tanks are perfect boxes and can just park next to each other for a 4++ and still shoot. Our tanks are weirdly shaped, and its hard to call for a coversave (as most people will argue with you forever about it till a judge comes by) Also, any long range AT is going to outrange you with only a 36" range gun. Flickerfields are the way to go.

Lastly Im not a fan of trueborn just sitting on the ground. I find there are too many outflankers and distruption units that mess with them too quickly. Ive always been a fan of the blasterborn (or cannonborn if you are taking duke) and throwing them in a venom for protection, but to each their own.