first shot at an 1850 list

im thinking of some thing like this

succubus with a agoniser

2x heamonculus with liquifier and venom blade

3x squads of wyches with an agoniser and haywire granades with raiders

a squad of kabalites with blaster and dark lance in a raider

6x reaver bikes with heat lances

2x ravagers with lances

one squad of 5 incubi with a venom

and a squad of 5 trueborn 4 blasters and a venom

Id be happy to hear any thoughts or experiences i really havn't had a chance to play with dark eldar as much as id like to so any help you can give will be appreciated

Not to bad for a start, just needs a little bit of pruning to make it a little more competitive and point effective!

succubus with a agoniser

2x heamonculus with liquifier and venom blade run 1 with each squad of wyches to give them feel no pain to start with

3x squads of wyches with an agoniser and haywire granades with raiders go for 9 in each squad, 2 with the haemies and 1 with the succubus

a squad of kabalites with blaster and dark lance in a raider Drop the Dark Lance and swap for a cannon, if (i mean when) the raider gets destroyed you don't want a warrior squad that cant move and shoot, also you have a lot of AT in your list, a bit more dakka can never hurt!

6x reaver bikes with heat lances I love reavers, but they always die quickly for me, bladevanes are there most effective bit of kit I think so use them carfully

2x ravagers with lances

one squad of 5 incubi with a venom give the venom an extra cannon

and a squad of 5 trueborn 4 blasters and a venom either go for 3 trueborn with blasters or 4 with blasters, the extra man is a waste of time and points

As a general tip put flickerfields on all your raiders and ravagers (venoms already have them) and Nightshields on the ravagers, on the others they will be a waste of time as they are getting in close anyway

This is all from my own experience and I'm sure others may disagree (we are quite rowdy here!) But with that pruning you should free some space up for bits and bobs, hope this helped.

Grub wrote:

6x reaver bikes with heat lances I love reavers, but they always die quickly for me, bladevanes are there most effective bit of kit I think so use them carfully

First of to op: If u plan on using reavers. 2x 3 reavers with geatlances are a usually more efficient way to use them.

I feel like using other options on them is a a waste of their cheapness. I usually turboboost first turn with them, directly at my enemies face, near tanks I want to get rid of/tanks that need to stand still to be useful.

What for? Well my enemy will have 3 options after that:

- ignore them and risk 2 shots on melta range in rear armor of vehicles that cost 30+ points more than the reavers.
- use a really got amount of firepower to drop them out of the air, due to 3+ cover save, t4 and 2 not needed lp. Which is cool since they are cheap and the rest of my army stays mostly unharmed.
- they are fast vehicles, drive out of the meltarange and can't shoot next turn.

I agree with the above, thats how I tend to use them against a mech army, also a good way of soaking up shots that will otherwise blow up your ravager. Against a horde army they can be useful aswell, 36" to 1 corner out of LoS, then 36" across his lines and again out of his shooting range inflicting bladevanes as you go rinse and repeat, not going to inflict huge casualties but will really annoy your opponant! The 1 time they did inflict massive casualties was when I (for a laugh) ran 18 bikes with heat lances, clustercaltrops etc against a blob guard army...when you can get on average 36+ attacks in the movement phase it resulted in around 60+ dead guardsman, not a competitive list but it was fun!

i can see the wisdom in splitting up the bikes though i feel like they will disappear really fast at such small numbers.

I feel like i might be starting into an on going argument but aren't nighshields on raiders better then flickerfields because you wont be spending much time without a 4++ unless your troops are already out?

It depends on the table and where you want to assault/drop troops if you have your 4+ cover or not.

Most armies got "long range" AT with 36'' and 48'', which renders nightshields basically useless against it even on ravagers, not to mention you're ships with troops in it.

It comes down to personal preferences. Feel free to use nightshields instead of flickerfields, ore use both.
After every realspace-raid, a good Archon should ask himself which options served him better this time.

Depends on what your fighting, against something like tau or a lascannon list there is no point for nightshields. There only appropriate when facing an army with lots of 36" or below weapons as it allows you to still be in combat range while they are not. This is why I don't run NS on raiders, My raiders will move across the board and deploy wyches which will fleet and 9/10 be able to get in an assault. By that time the raider is already in harms way and so NS are useless while the flickerfields give you a sporting chance!

On the other hand though don't strike NS off, A) its hilariously cruel to watch someone target your ravager etc then say "take 6 inches" and watch them squirm as they are no longer in range and B) They really benefit against slower closer range units such as grey knights who will have to move to target you which is not what they ever want!