1000 point Hellion list - Needing help!

Hey,

well, the upcoming price increase, though not terribly drastic, has made me want to focus on a smaller starting army.

Now, I love the Baron and hellions and reavers, but can't seem to come up with a satisfactory 1000 point list based around them. I feel like everything I attempt, they will just get shot to bits and at this low points, a webway portal would be out of the question, wouldn't it? I've already been told that hellions almost always need to be in large groups, but at 16 points each, that becomes quite expensive, eg, 320 points for 20 hellions. So I'm turning to you knowledable folks in the hope that a 1000 point baron army is possible.

Hope you can help,

Thanks,
Baron Judas

How's this.......

Baron sathonyx

14 hellions
Helliarch
Agoniser

10 hellions
Helliarch
PGL
Agoniser

5 scourges
2 haywire blasters

6 reavers
2 heat lances

6 reavers
2 heat lances

If im right think this comes in at 1001pts (haven't got the codex to hand).

Thanks Warinthewebway,

well, from that I came up with:

Baron Sathonyx - 105

Harlequins (5) w/ harlequin's kisses (4), fusion pistol, shadowseer - 150

Hellions (14) w/ helliarch, agoniser - 249

Hellions (10) w/ helliarch, agoniser, phantasm grenade launcher - 205

Reavers (5) w/ blaster, cluster caltrops - 145

Reavers (5) w/ blaster, cluster caltrops - 145

Total - 999


I've also been highly recommended Duke Sliscus and am a fan of his background, so thought I'd make a list for him too:


Duke Sliscus the Serpent - 150

Kabalite Trueborn (9) w/ shardcarbines (7), splinter cannon (2), raider, night shields, flickerfield - 243

Wyches (5) w/ hekatrix, agoniser, shardnet and impaler, haywire grenades, venom, night shields, splinter cannon - 175

Wyches (5) w/ hekatrix, agoniser, shardnet and impaler, haywire grenades, venom, night shields, splinter cannon - 175

Ravager w/ disintegrator cannons (3), night shields, flickerfield - 125

Ravager w/ dark lances (3), night shields, flickerfield - 125

Total - 993

Looking forward to some crit on these lists,

thanks,

Baron Judas

I'll deal with the Barons list.

I'd suggest 1 large unit of hellions instead of 2 smaller ones. No matter what you do you need to get FnP on those hellions ASAP. Use PT shenanigans to effect that at the start of the game. I'd recommend a heami and 3 wracks to enable you to get FC as well.
The reavers are a bit of a waste. You have 10 bikes and only 2 AT weapons in there. I would switch to 2 units of 6 with 2 heat lances each:

This lot comes to 998

Baron (105)

20 Hellions, Helliarch, Agoniser (345)

Heami (50)

3 wracks (30)

6 Reavers, 2 Heat lances (156)

6 Reavers, 2 Heat lances (156)

3 Beastmasters, 4 Flocks, 5 Khymerea (156)

Might not seem like enough AT but at the points level the Hellions will smash almost any armour off the board at S5 on the charge. Get them fearless quickly and they will stick around for the rest of the game.
The Heat Lances will deal with AV 14 with ease.
Beasts and hellions will deal with infantry.

You could swap out the beast unit for a Razorwing or some scourges but I feel the pack is the better bet. Perhaps some wyches with haywires in a raider to deal with dreads would be better against rifleman dreads.

Your duke list is on the right path but at that point level the trueborn are very costly. Personally I'd drop the trueborn for 9 warriors with a blaster in a raider and give it splinter wracks and FF, keep lances on your ravager then use the points left over to bump up the wyches or drop a warrior and get a haemonculus with a liquifier.

Thanks kenny3760 and Warinthewebway,

Kenny37650:

So, reavers, you would say, are primarily for tank hunting? I was intending them for some decapitation on troops and if the chance arises, to take out a tank. Are cluster caltrops not worth it then? And heat lances over blasters?
Also, how would the pain token shenanigans work? What would I have to do?

Warinthewebway:

Sounds good to me, I was debating between trueborn and just warriors myself, but opted for the finesse option. Seen as I have no models as of yet (still waiting on my order arriving), I can chop and change now. Is it ever worth taking both nightshields and flickerfiled or just 1?

Thanks again,

Baron Judas.

The way pain token shenanigans work is buy starting a unit off with a haemonculus and then letting him leave the unit but leave his pain token with the unit as u choose who has the tokens. This can be done multiple times.
With FF and NS it all depends on what I'm running. If I have points left over I'll try and put them onto my ravagers or if I runn a Webway portal list I'll take them just to keep the portal mobile. Most of the time I'll only ale flicker fields tho.

Baron_Judas wrote:

Thanks kenny3760 and Warinthewebway,

Kenny37650:

So, reavers, you would say, are primarily for tank hunting? I was intending them for some decapitation on troops and if the chance arises, to take out a tank. Are cluster caltrops not worth it then? And heat lances over blasters?
Also, how would the pain token shenanigans work? What would I have to do?

Reavers should be dedicated to either AI or AT. Both upgrades are expensive, and if you buy both, you are wasting the other one. So say you are bladevaning, then you are wasting that heat lance, but when you are blowing up a tank, you are wasting that expensive caltrops. Stick with one or the other. Most pick AT because of them being one of the few units we have with heat lances.

Baron_Judas wrote:

Warinthewebway:

Sounds good to me, I was debating between trueborn and just warriors myself, but opted for the finesse option. Seen as I have no models as of yet (still waiting on my order arriving), I can chop and change now. Is it ever worth taking both nightshields and flickerfiled or just 1?

Thanks again,

Baron Judas.

Just stick with either 9 warriors in raider w/ flickerfields and splinter racks or get the 4 trueborn w/ 2 cannons, 2 carbines in dual cannon venom for duke. Going all out on his squad is too expensive to sit in a AV 10 open topped transport.

As for fields, they both are amazing, but flickerfields is far superior. If you do take nightshields, take them on as many things as possible to give saturation. Also remember that nightshields arent made to outrange long range AT, but to stop meltas and double tap bolters, which actually kill more of our vehicles than missles or autocannons (well... autocannons are pretty boss agianst us...)

Thanks Warinthewebway and Shadows Revenge,

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Reavers should be dedicated to either AI or AT. Both upgrades are expensive, and if you buy both, you are wasting the other one. So say you are bladevaning, then you are wasting that heat lance, but when you are blowing up a tank, you are wasting that expensive caltrops. Stick with one or the other. Most pick AT because of them being one of the few units we have with heat lances.

So, could I have 1 anti-infantry unit and 1 anti-tank unit? Or should both be dedicated to 1 task?

So, what about:

Baron Sathonyx - 105

Haemonculus w/ hexrifle, soul-trap - 75

Wracks (3) - 30

Hellions (19) - 304

Reavers (6) w/ heat lance (2) - 156

Reavers (5) w/ cluster caltrops - 130

Beastmasters (2) w/ razorwing flock (4) - 84

Ravager w/ flickerfield - 115

Total - 999

Warinthewebway wrote:

The way pain token shenanigans work is buy starting a unit off with a haemonculus and then letting him leave the unit but leave his pain token with the unit as u choose who has the tokens. This can be done multiple times.

Not quite true. You have to split the tokens evenly between units when they seperate. See here for how to work it and a few other bits of advice about running Hellions

http://www.thedarkcity.net/t1384-hellions-hellions-hellions

@ Baron_Judas. I think your Heami needs no extra gear on him. The Hex rifle is iffy at best and a waste of time and points the rest of the time. And he is highly unlikely to kill anything to get the benefit of the soul trap. His purpose after the PT swap is to join the wracks, hide and go-to-gound for the rest of the game.

For your reavers I would definately go for heat lances to provide you with some reliable AT shooting. Heat lances are our go to weapon for AV 13/14. You really don't need anymore AI in the list with the Hellions splinter pods and attacks, topped off with the beast pack

Thanks kenny3760,

Inspiring read about hellions! I shall certainly attempt that tactic, thankyou very much.

Ah dear, I know about the hexrifle, I just LOVE the fluff.

Well, I shall certainly equip my reaver squadron(s) with heat lances. Perhaps I shall attempt some magnetising shenanigans so I can try all available weaponry.


So, final list?

Baron Sathonyx - 105

Haemonculus - 50

Hellions (19) - 304

Wracks (3) - 30

Reavers (6) w/ heat lance (2) - 144

Reavers (6) w/ heat lance (2) - 144

Beastmaster w/ razorwing flock (2), venom blade - 47

Razorwing Jetfighter w/ flickerfield, shatterfield missiles (4) - 175

Total - 999

Thanks again for all your help,

Baron_Judas